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MissVelvetDress_75 05-13-2005 09:31 PM

"No Hablo Espanol and NEVER WILL!"
 
Those are the exact words displayed on a sign outside of a bar called "Mulligan's" in my city. I drove by that bar this afternoon and on the other side of the sign it says "I.N.S. Agents eat free" and on the other side it says "No Hablo Espanol and NEVER WILL". I have nothing but pity for the ignorance of the patrons and owners of that bar. I wonder if they allow a hispanic INS agent to eat free. :hmm: If I was an INS agent, I would be such a smart ass and walk into that bar and challenge that sign.

ILuvLarryMullen 05-13-2005 09:41 PM

a derrr....... I hate lernin' ......a her a her :happy:!

ILuvLarryMullen 05-13-2005 09:42 PM

also he obviously habla some español if he know what hablo means. :wink:

MissVelvetDress_75 05-13-2005 09:44 PM

:laugh: I know and I am tempted to walk in and tell them that, but I want to live to see the next day. :wink:

ILuvLarryMullen 05-13-2005 09:47 PM

you should steal the sign :evil:.

MissVelvetDress_75 05-13-2005 09:48 PM

:hmm:

ILuvLarryMullen 05-13-2005 09:53 PM

get a white friend to do it, cause those dumb hicks would probably pay too much attention to you. too bad i don't live in atlanta because I know some expert sign stealers :wink:

Niamh_Saoirse 05-13-2005 11:26 PM

Well, although i totally agree with you and the owner is a big eejit, I have to say that we need more people like him so I can keep earning a living!

:wink:

:lol:

Calvin N. Hobbes 05-14-2005 12:43 AM

son pendejos :mad:

BrownEyedBoy 05-14-2005 08:58 AM

haha, I loved a sign I read once out of some sort of a convenience store that read: "NO BIKE PARK HERE." :lmao:

Niamh_Saoirse 05-14-2005 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by Calvin N. Hobbes
son pendejos :mad:
Eso es lo mínimo que se les puede decir :wink:

BrownEyedBoy 05-14-2005 10:48 AM

Aqui en Honduras les decimos olimpistas... :wink:

Viva el Real España carajo!

cardosino 05-14-2005 12:41 PM

Re: "No Hablo Espanol and NEVER WILL!"
 
Quote:

Originally posted by MissVelvetDress_75
Those are the exact words displayed on a sign outside of a bar called "Mulligan's" in my city. I drove by that bar this afternoon and on the other side of the sign it says "I.N.S. Agents eat free" and on the other side it says "No Hablo Espanol and NEVER WILL". I have nothing but pity for the ignorance of the patrons and owners of that bar. I wonder if they allow a hispanic INS agent to eat free.
Why would the ethnicity of the INS agent matter ? What the bar owner is saying is that HE/SHE will not habla espanol.

NYRangers78 05-14-2005 01:41 PM

its america....people should be learning and speaking in english anyway....got a metrocard the other day for the bus in nyc and it was all in spanish and nothing in english. thats a disgrace. nothing against anyone or immigrants or anything as long as they come here and learn the language and contribute positively to the country. and why are the people of that bar ignorant? because they are for the preservation of the english language and for the protection of america from illegal immigrants??? i hightly doubt theyre racist against spanish people in general. i know plenty of spanish people and work with a bunch who find it disrespectful that their own people speak spanish to them in front of me and a bunch of other workers who dont speak spanish.

WinnieThePoo 05-14-2005 02:25 PM

Quote:

its america....people should be learning and speaking in english anyway
agreed ,

deep 05-14-2005 02:46 PM

Quote:

its america....people should be learning and speaking in english anyway
that's right

this is not Spain
for god's sake!

if they can not speak the native tongue
they should go back
to wherever
and keep their cotton-pickin’ hands off our American jobs.

DrTeeth 05-14-2005 02:50 PM

I also think people should learn a country's official language and that we need fair and efficient imigration laws. Still, I wouldn't want to be caught dead having signs like that in my window.

BrownEyedBoy 05-14-2005 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by NYRangers78
its america....people should be learning and speaking in english anyway

I thought "America" was an entire continent. All the way from Canada down to Argentina. :shrug:

MissVelvetDress_75 05-14-2005 03:10 PM

gotta love debates. :wink:

deep 05-14-2005 03:14 PM

They should have to sing in English, too.

Quote:

Bogus mariachi bands rob music-lovers

By Catherine BremerFri May 13,11:04 AM ET

In the latest crime ruse to hit Mexico City, thieves are dressing up as mariachi musicians in embroidered suits with wide-brimmed somberros to rob unsuspecting music-lovers.

Mingling among the roughly 1,700 licensed mariachi who serenade people with raucous folk songs in a central city square are hundreds of "pirate" mariachi more adept at picking pockets than strumming guitars, city officials say.

In a city where organized crime gangs make an easy living from armed assault and kidnapping, police fear the bogus musicians could trick people into taking them home to play at family parties, where mariachi are a popular treat.

"Since the end of last year we have been seeing mariachi who are not mariachi," said Jose Luis Tamayo, the government official in charge of a crackdown to weed them out.

"They are pinching wallets. They are going up to cars and signaling to accomplices if there's a bag or cell phone in sight. What worries us more than anything is that people could be robbed in their homes," he told Reuters.

MissVelvetDress_75 05-14-2005 03:18 PM

yes they should sing in English in Mexico City. :up:

Signed,
The Mexican-American Girl who grew up in GA and never spoke a word of Spanish because English was only spoken in these parts. So now I can't have a conversation with my grandparents.

anitram 05-14-2005 03:23 PM

I love Mariachi bands. Watching a real one is like a religious experience. I was able to get some fantastic CDs when I was in Mexico.

As for the topic at hand - I've lived in 3 different countries and my parents (mother in particular) was always adamant that we speak the local language first and encouraged us to not find other immigrant kids and speak our mother tongue with them as an escape. I think I adjusted a lot faster that way, so I'm not really a huge fan of people not making an effort to learn English or whatever.

But that sign is really ridiculously rude, and I think it's got very little to do with language and a hell of a lot to do with bigotry. They're making a bigger statement here, one which says a lot more about them than they may want us to know.

MissVelvetDress_75 05-14-2005 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by anitram


But that sign is really ridiculously rude, and I think it's got very little to do with language and a hell of a lot to do with bigotry. They're making a bigger statement here, one which says a lot more about them than they may want us to know.

I totally agree and that is what I thought the minute I read it. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the local Klan drink there.

nbcrusader 05-14-2005 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by DrTeeth
I also think people should learn a country's official language and that we need fair and efficient imigration laws. Still, I wouldn't want to be caught dead having signs like that in my window.
I agree with the good Dr.

deep 05-14-2005 03:40 PM

Something to worry about indeed.

The dead are very easy to catch, they don't move very quickly.

You should leave written instruction
'all signs removed immediately upon my death’.

Calvin N. Hobbes 05-14-2005 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by anitram
But that sign is really ridiculously rude, and I think it's got very little to do with language and a hell of a lot to do with bigotry. They're making a bigger statement here, one which says a lot more about them than they may want us to know.
Thanks exactly how I view it as well. I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable walking in. I have no problem with their position on english as the official language. I'm all for it and I even support their right to say whatever they like. I just wouldn't offer them my patronage.

deep 05-14-2005 04:21 PM

Re: "No Hablo Espanol and NEVER WILL!"
 
I am sure that if Pamela Anderson came jiggling in and said,

"Cervesa, por favor"

this good ol' boy would take a pool cue and beat her.

indra 05-14-2005 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NYRangers78
its america....people should be learning and speaking in english anyway....got a metrocard the other day for the bus in nyc and it was all in spanish and nothing in english. thats a disgrace. nothing against anyone or immigrants or anything as long as they come here and learn the language and contribute positively to the country. and why are the people of that bar ignorant? because they are for the preservation of the english language and for the protection of america from illegal immigrants??? i hightly doubt theyre racist against spanish people in general. i know plenty of spanish people and work with a bunch who find it disrespectful that their own people speak spanish to them in front of me and a bunch of other workers who dont speak spanish.
I disagree strongly with your comment "i hightly doubt theyre racist against spanish people in general." I think that is EXACTLY what they bar owners and operators are. If they simply did not speak Spanish (and knew they were too damned stupid to ever learn -- hence the "and NEVER WILL") they would do what I, as a English only speaker, do. That is, when someone speaks a language I don't understand (and sadly, there are many) to me, I simply show or say that I do not understand. Often if both parties try they can figure out a way to communicate if the request is simple enough. It would seem that the list of things to ask for in a bar are pretty limited, so even a person of limited brainpower should be able to figure out what patron, even one who does not speak the same language, is asking for.

However, by posting on a sign outside the business, "No Hablo Espanol and NEVER WILL" the bar owners are clearly stating that they do not want any of "those" people to come into the business.

I wouldn't set foot in that bar. Ever.

ImOuttaControl 05-14-2005 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NYRangers78
its america....people should be learning and speaking in english anyway....got a metrocard the other day for the bus in nyc and it was all in spanish and nothing in english. thats a disgrace. nothing against anyone or immigrants or anything as long as they come here and learn the language and contribute positively to the country. and why are the people of that bar ignorant? because they are for the preservation of the english language and for the protection of america from illegal immigrants??? i hightly doubt theyre racist against spanish people in general. i know plenty of spanish people and work with a bunch who find it disrespectful that their own people speak spanish to them in front of me and a bunch of other workers who dont speak spanish.
I agree.

Another good point is: how far will immigrants who come to america get if they don't learn to speak english? Not speaking english in the U.S. is a huge handicap and pretty much ensures most people who don't will live a life of poverty.

NYRangers78 05-14-2005 09:00 PM

of course, thats why half the kids in public school are failing and then the poor teachers who work their asses off are blamed....the kids cant speak english and the parents dont speak english so how can they expect to flourish in an english speaking country without my tax dollars supporting them? my tax dollars are wasted every day on the kids in school who dont speak english, wont learn english, and just dont care...so why should i?

MissVelvetDress_75 05-14-2005 09:06 PM

Obviously you do care. You wouldn't feel as angry about the issue if you didn't.

BluRmGrl 05-14-2005 10:45 PM

Point A: Rude sign, bigoted owner, establishment not to collect any of my hard-earned dollars. :no:

Point B: If you move to another country to RESIDE in it long enough to seek employment - learn to speak the LOCAL LANGUAGE. Whether you're Mexican/South American/Central American, etc. moving to the US or if you're a Pygmy moving to Pakistan. Speak what you want at home - teach your children... it's their heritage - but in public, SPEAK IN THE LOCAL TONGUE. Period. :rant:

I welcome any and all to come to this great country and benefit from their hard work.... I just expect them to speak English while they're doing it.

indra 05-14-2005 10:55 PM

A question for all those who want people who come to live in the US from other countries and speak a different language.

How long does an immigrant get to learn the language?

BluRmGrl 05-14-2005 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by indra
A question for all those who want people who come to live in the US from other countries and speak a different language.

How long does an immigrant get to learn the language?

Obviously, there's an adjustment period... a time when you first move to the States and are learning the language. But even in my average-sized, southeastern NC city (Wilmington), we have FREE English As a Second Language workshops - which, yes, are widely advertised in Spanish. Anyone can pick up a few words a day; after a few months, you should be able to piece together simple sentences. I understand that it takes time to learn a new language and that kids pick it up faster than adults, usually. But so many of the Latinos that I come across daily in my work (auto & property insurance) have had established residences for over a year yet still expect us to have an interpreter on staff - and that's the point that I take issue with.

Sue DeNym 05-15-2005 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by anitram
But that sign is really ridiculously rude, and I think it's got very little to do with language and a hell of a lot to do with bigotry. They're making a bigger statement here, one which says a lot more about them than they may want us to know.
That's it exactly. It's bigoted, stupid and rude, no different than segregation. That nasty attitude should have died out ages ago. :madspit:

AvsGirl41 05-15-2005 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by BluRmGrl


Obviously, there's an adjustment period... a time when you first move to the States and are learning the language. But even in my average-sized, southeastern NC city (Wilmington), we have FREE English As a Second Language workshops - which, yes, are widely advertised in Spanish. Anyone can pick up a few words a day; after a few months, you should be able to piece together simple sentences. I understand that it takes time to learn a new language and that kids pick it up faster than adults, usually. But so many of the Latinos that I come across daily in my work (auto & property insurance) have had established residences for over a year yet still expect us to have an interpreter on staff - and that's the point that I take issue with.

:up:

I also have a problem with the selective nature of which immigrants have to learn English, and which don't. In Denver, we have a large Spanish community and the city accordingly prints almost everything in both languages, and encourages everyone to learn Spanish.

But we also have an extremely large Russian and Asian population--but nothing is printed in Russian, Vietnamese or Japanese. No one is encouraged to learn those languages--your lucky if you can find a Russian language class. Why is it that if you come here from Mexico or South America, you get a pass, but not if you come from Europe or Asia?

My Polish friend still struggles with English after 20 years in this country--if he hadn't learned English, he wouldn't have been able to get his degree, or get a job here. No one ever offered him a Polish interpreter. Yet just yesterday, I'm berated by a Spanish guy who can't understand me, yet we handed him a college degree.

I'm a big believer in keeping your language and culture alive, but the hypocrisy of the language barrier angers me.

NYRangers78 05-15-2005 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MissVelvetDress_75
Obviously you do care. You wouldn't feel as angry about the issue if you didn't.
after thinking about it, your right. i do care a great deal. i see american values and the english language falling by the wayside and nyc turning into a dominican republic, puerto rico, and mexican village. years ago immigrants came here and they had to learn the language and contribute positively to the country. now? immigrants,and not just the non speaking english ones, come here with this entitlement attitude. now, i have to sit through tons of things in spanish on the phone just to get an english menu or operator and thats a disgrace. i ve already gone on about this is another thread about national id's so i wont get into it again...to each his own.

i dont have a problem with immigrants speaking their language to each other when theyre at home. but i have a guy at my job who always addresses me in spanish even though ive told the guy a 1000 times that i speak english and this is america and he should speak english. i took spanish for 3 years in high school and i can speak it but i dont care to. especially not with this guy. hes been in the country for 30 years now and his first language long ago shouldve been english. the kicker is that he speaks perfect english. its almost like hes purposely doing it to either piss me off or just to thumb his nose at america and the english language. not to mention its also disrespectful when hes talking to other guys in spanish in front of me. 1) its rude and 2) u never know if hes talking about you or not.


and im not even a teacher but i dont blame the public school teachers one bit for the problems in nyc or anywhere else in america for that matter. i have plenty of friends who are teachers who are fed up trying to teach these kids. the kids dont speak english and dont want to learn and when the kids act up and my friends call the kids' parents, the parents come in and blame the teacher. there is no sort of parenting going on at home id say for the majority of public school students. my tax dollars are going towards the babysitting service otherwise known as the nyc public school system.

Muggsy 05-15-2005 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by NYRangers78


after thinking about it, your right. i do care a great deal. i see american values and the english language falling by the wayside and nyc turning into a dominican republic, puerto rico, and mexican village. years ago immigrants came here and they had to learn the language and contribute positively to the country. now? immigrants,and not just the non speaking english ones, come here with this entitlement attitude. now, i have to sit through tons of things in spanish on the phone just to get an english menu or operator and thats a disgrace. i ve already gone on about this is another thread about national id's so i wont get into it again...to each his own.


I'm sorry but you're talking like our language is something bad wich contaminates the "pureness" of your english, I don't know :huh: ....

it is obvious.... if you go to work to another country you have to learn a new lenguage and a new way of life... but let me tell you something: languages and cultures evolve and they feed with the interaction with new people, like inmigrants for example.

And I can say the same thing of the "American Culture" and the English language: that they are contaminating our culture and stuff. But I really think that the world culture chances with things like the commerce and the media, blending a lot of values. Culture and language are not static things, they move with the people.

NYRangers78 05-15-2005 12:56 PM

the way i see it, if u are living in colombia, then u should be speaking spanish. if u dont know spanish, then one should learn it if they are going to be liviing there. if u are living in america and u dont know english, then you should learn it. same as if i was moving to germany, id learn german. having never been to colombia, how in the english language contaminating colombia.

and i dont intend to make it sound as if the spanish language is bad. its not. its actually very beautiful. i just dont think it should be thrust upon everyone in america and it automatically be assumed that people speak it. i say the same thing about all the non english speaking immigrants who come to america and dont make the effort to learn english or if they know english, wont speak it.

dandy 05-15-2005 01:28 PM

great post, Muggsy. :up:

one thing to keep in mind when discussing this topic: we in north america are very lucky to live where live. having to move to another country to support ourselves is not something many of us will have to do. moving to a different country, with different languages, cultures, ways of living, etc. is difficult, and from that end, i have a lot of respect for the people who choose to do so in search of a better life.

also, it is not easy to learn a new language as an adult. one of my good friends teaches english as a second language (ESL) to newly arrived immigrants from all over the planet. the kids pick it up quickly enough, but the adults often struggle. english is not an easy language to learn--phonetically speaking, it's a nightmare, not to mention those 300+ irregular verbs. as a canadian who knows french, but still struggles to speak it well, i know how difficult it is for me, and i grew up surrounded with french language and culture.

i don't think english is under attack, nor do i think our culture is in jeopardy (far from it).

NYRangers78 05-15-2005 02:05 PM

dandy...u live in canada. i dont know how it is in canada, but come to new york and live in the bronx for a week. youll see exactly what im talking about....;)

MissVelvetDress_75 05-15-2005 02:12 PM

There is no way I could survive living in the Bronx. I am sure I would be annoyed with a lot of things in a matter of seconds.

I will admit that I get very annoyed when I talk to anyone that does not speak English well at all. I will typically go on rants about how I find it rude not to learn the language of the country you are living in. However I do wish I knew how to speak Spanish, French, Russian, German, Chinese, Japanesse, etc. instead of American English and Southern American English. :wink:

There are good points made in this thread and I am glad I posted this.

Moonlit_Angel 05-15-2005 02:32 PM

Here's the thing, though-in some other countries, the language there is the official language, hence why they expect you to learn it, why it's required and all that.

Here in America, however, we don't have an official language. Yes, a good majority of the people speak English, but we have no official language. Therefore, while it certainly would help people who move here to learn English, it's not exactly a requirement, because English isn't our official language. It's just something that would be appreciated.

And I do think that if they're going to take the time to learn English, we should try and learn at the very least the basics of theirs. That's what I did when a girl moved to my town back in Iowa from Mexico-I decided to take Spanish so I could understand her a bit better, and at the same time, she was doing her part to learn the language I speak.

Angela

dandy 05-15-2005 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NYRangers78
the way i see it, if u are living in colombia, then u should be speaking spanish. if u dont know spanish, then one should learn it if they are going to be liviing there. if u are living in america and u dont know english, then you should learn it. same as if i was moving to germany, id learn german.
just a thought: the people who founded the US and Canada didn't bother to learn the natives' languages when they first arrived here. in fact, they had no respect at all for the people who had lived on this land for centuries. they just came in and took over, by force.

how quickly we forget that our countries were founded by illegal immigrants.

AvsGirl41 05-15-2005 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dandy


just a thought: the people who founded the US and Canada didn't bother to learn the natives' languages when they first arrived here. in fact, they had no respect at all for the people who had lived on this land for centuries. they just came in and took over, by force.

how quickly we forget that our countries were founded by illegal immigrants.

Ugh, I hate arguments like that. It's these kind of apologist statements that lead us into the politically-charged language debates we're in today. It is said repeatedly here in Colorado "This was Mexico, so we should all speak Spanish" as if that will reverse history and make everything all right. Instead it just leads to shoddy bi-lingual policies.

I am sorry for what happened in the past, as I think many Americans are. But it's not relevant to an ESL debate. The mindsets of the early colonies was completely different in regards to other cultures than ours today. Calling them "conquerors" rather than illegal immigrants is much more accurate--but admittedly not as catchy.

dandy 05-15-2005 03:17 PM

point taken. i just think it's important to remember the history, and to remember not to get too bogged down in a sense of entitlement in this debate.

BonosSaint 05-15-2005 03:50 PM

Americans would be totally lost in other countries if their signs and their people didn't cater to us in English. We just take it flat out for granted whenever we are in other countries that they will accomodate us. I notice that many of us expect that accomodation when we travel. Someone made the point earlier that Americans are rarely required to learn a second language to survive and many of us would probably throw a royal fit if we did.

I agree that once someone decides to make their home in the United States, he/she should attempt to learn the language as a gesture of respect to their new country and not feel that they are entitled to complete accomodation. Some people can feel that sense of entitlement an insult to the country they have adopted, and perhaps there is some justification in that. I would not feel any country I moved to would have to adapt to me, but that I would have to adapt to it.

But Hispanics are accomodated here due to sheer numbers and commerce reasons. They know their power.

Tech 05-15-2005 03:57 PM

Wow. Very interesting topic. For myself living in southern Cali yes Spanish is everywhere. I came from parents who immigrated from Mexico. Us kids learned English at school. There was no ESL or spanish/english classes back then. You were just put in school and taught english. That's how we all learned the language.

You cannot generalize and say that all kids or people either are not or will not learn the language. Yes some people abuse the system and thus don't feel that learning english is essential. But to those that want a better life for there family they learn English. It just sucks that a few bad apples destroys what others think of this topic.

NYRangers78 05-15-2005 04:27 PM

http://www.workings.com/LIA_EOL.htm

On Aug. 1, 1996, the House of Representatives voted 259-169 to declare English the official language of the United States; the Senate never acted on the bill. Source: Cong. Rec. Aug. 1, 1996, H9771-72.


i wonder why the senate never acted on the bill...anyone know?

BonosSaint 05-15-2005 04:32 PM

I suspect the Senate considered it a purely political move by the relatively new Republican majority in the House. More symbol than substance.


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