eXPERIENCE + iNNOCENCE Tour 2018 - Rumors & General Discussion
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Wide Awake n AZ
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Thanks. I am paying the price back home today...shoulders and hands are crushed from crutching and my body was cut open 9 days earlier, so.i am sure there is some kind of price to pay. I got home today and crashed for about 3 hours mid-day...but I got to see a great Prince cover show, have two kid-free nights with the woman who makes my heart full and my life a story of incredible luck no matter the minor medical misfortunes (our 23rd anniversary is next month, and, really, have been together 27 of the last 30 years), and i got tonsee the U2 tour i never thought i'd see again...the one without a safety net
I am sore but happy...it was a silly idea, but arent all the best?
corianderstem
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Glad you had such a great time! I LOLd about the "Larry on board" moment.
Also, I didn't love 13 as a closer - the crowd felt more "confused" than "stunned" at both SJ shows ... but your comments about it may have made me.change my mind.
Also, I didn't love 13 as a closer - the crowd felt more "confused" than "stunned" at both SJ shows ... but your comments about it may have made me.change my mind.
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U2WOJO
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Vegas 2 setlist pretty much ends my attempts to find tickets for Chicago 2. While I fully don't expect U2 to trot out 25 different songs for a second night, having NOT ONE SINGLE different song for a 2nd night is beyond lazy (dropping one and changing the order of a couple others). I've been around long enough and to enough first and second shows to know U2 is not going to have MUCH variation from one night to the next, but NONE is pathetic. Compound that with a good portion of "innocence" section have been infused into the new show almost verbatim....same graphics, same sequencing, etc.
Would it really kill them to rotate a different song into the acoustical E-stage portion, or gasp....2 different ones? There is no video production/choreography locking them into specific songs.
Would it really kill them to rotate a different song into the acoustical E-stage portion, or gasp....2 different ones? There is no video production/choreography locking them into specific songs.
TheGeekyU2Fan
War Child
. Pretty lazy.
trevgreg
Rock n' Roll Doggie
This always puts things into perspective for me...
Green Day: New shows setlist discussion - Green Day Chat - Green Day Community
Metallica: https://www.reddit.com/r/avengedsevenfold/comments/6bfxau/my_thoughts_on_the_hardwired_tour_setlist/
Weezer: https://www.reddit.com/r/weezer/comments/754xse/why_cant_weezer_mix_up_the_set_list/
U2 (us back in the day): http://www.u2interference.com/forums/f306/all-complaints-about-the-setlist-here-207205.html
Paul McCartney: Set List critique | Maccaboard
Avenged Sevenfold: https://www.reddit.com/r/avengedsevenfold/comments/6bfxau/my_thoughts_on_the_hardwired_tour_setlist/
Foo Fighters: forum.foofighters.com/showthread.php?t=166339
Guns n’ Roses: Anyone tired of hearing AFD and cover songs live? - GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS - mygnrforum.com Guns N' Roses Forum
The Killers: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheKillers/comments/6m4fou/great_tour_let_down_by_a_stale_setlist/
Red Hot Chili Peppers: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedHotChiliPeppers/comments/4qkvj7/rhcp_setlist_have_been_stale_for_years/
Paramore: https://www.reddit.com/r/Paramore/comments/6jo723/this_setlist_sucks/
Duran Duran: The setlist |
Coldplay: http://www.reddit.com/r/Coldplay/comments/4okgpo/it_doesnt_seem_like_theyre_switching_the_setlist/
The Rolling Stones: www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2223054,page=1
AC/DC: http://www.acdcfans.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=8730
Depeche Mode: https://www.reddit.com/r/depechemode/comments/6a2tus/opinions_about_global_spirit_tour_setlist/
Muse: https://www.reddit.com/r/Muse/commen...o_worry_about/
Arcade Fire: https://www.reddit.com/r/Muse/comments/6faoac/another_very_safe_setlist_starting_to_worry_about/
Radiohead: https://www.reddit.com/r/radiohead/comments/6htmoh/complaints_about_the_tour_setlists//
Pearl Jam: Pearl Jam Mailed It In On Monday Night — Pearl Jam Community
Springsteen: http://www.greasylake.org/the-circuit/index.php?/topic/126717-complaining-about-setlists/
Kind of easy for us to sit in our rolling chairs and be entertained by what we read, as opposed to the 10% of us that actually manage to go to two consecutive shows. But I've learned it's always going to be something... no matter what band you follow online!
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U2WOJO
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Can you save me the trouble and tell me which of these artists complaint archives talk about an artist going back to back with the exact same 25 songs with the only variation from night one to night 2 in the same market being dropping a song for the second night and moving one other song a couple spots? Once again compound that with the fact that the innocence portion is almost an exact regurgitation of what we saw 3 years ago. There is a difference between complaining about my favoritest song didn't get played by the band verses a complete lack of imagination and utter laziness which Vegas 1 to Vegas 2 has the complete stench of.
Edit...I couldn't resist and looked at the Pearl Jam thread which is about a guy complaining about a MSG show from 2016. A show in which they did 21 songs they did not preform the prior night including a 7 song encore with only 1 song repeated from the prior night. Meanwhile in U2 heaven, we are 6 shows in and the encore has been the same tired 3 songs with the one exception being opening night where they played an extra song that promptly disappeared probably forever.
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lazarus
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Yeah, I doubt the complaints on the Springsteen forum have much merit by comparison either.
Well, I imagine they have to do something different for Los Angeles, right? It's not like the only change will be shows 1 & 3 having Red Flag Day and show 2 not getting it. Right??
Well, I imagine they have to do something different for Los Angeles, right? It's not like the only change will be shows 1 & 3 having Red Flag Day and show 2 not getting it. Right??
TheGeekyU2Fan
War Child
Current setlist:
superchuk5
Refugee
I'm preparing for the same setlist as Vegas 2, but I hope for some change. At least bring RFD/ABOY back.
ImOuttaControl
Refugee
Ahhh, people on the internet of whom the vast majority didn't attend the concert complaining about the setlist that they read about. First world problems!
Hewson
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womanfish
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
U2 in LA
360 - 202,000
I&E - 83,000
JT - 123,000
E&I - 36,000???
Sorry man. This is just shitty. A band of U2's status should stand up to Live Nation and tell them to fuck off with 350 dollar tickets. It's embarrassing to have defended the bands ticket pricing their entire career (and rightfully so) because they always seemed to keep prices to a really reasonable, and even inexpensive, level for decades. Now, we get this bullshit.
I know they are older and probably don't want to play as many multiple nights. I get it. But it still pisses me off.
And then to do that PLUS not taking the extra effort to give us some real setlist innovation just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
U2WOJO
The Fly
Maybe if they played just a few different tunes on a second or third night, the tickets might sell a little better? Again, repeating myself from earlier today....I have no interest in Chicago 2 after seeing literally no variance in the Vegas 2 setlist. I haven't needed much variance to put down for multiple shows in the past. I really don't think it is asking to much for a band to at least vary their setlist by 3 or 4 songs as U2 has generally managed to do in the past.
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womanfish
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
I've seen the band 13 times. I camped for 3 nights to get tickets to ZooTV. I was able to go see them 3 nights at soldier field during Popmart as a poor college student, because I could afford the fucking ticket. But I absolutely have no interest in going to show and pay 200-350 bucks in the upper seats, to see them play Pride, Elevation and SBS again. I just can't. If they genuinely did pull out some really cool rarely played material, yeah, I could see myself changing my tune. But as it stands, no thanks. And i think we see that same sentiment reflected in the attendance numbers.
U2WOJO
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I don't disagree that the pricing is silly and restrictive. In fairness, you can pickup lower bowl tickets for Chicago 2 for $106 within 12-15 rows off the floor (after initially being on sale for 325. U2 has also been reasonable with it's GA floor tickets providing long tenured fans access via the fan club at a price point not to common with other artist for getting that close to the stage.
womanfish
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
I know, tickets prices drop. That's the whole new Live Nation system, to see how badly they can screw people right off the bat and then start lowering them.
I was thinking of going to the Nashville show since i will be up there during that time, but that show sold pretty well, and now no chance to get seats.
Sorry, i'm just sorta annoyed by the whole thing. i will probably feel differently at some point.
Not sure what this proves other than that people are passionate about and engaged with their favourite bands and have strong opinions and ideas about how that band's shows could be the best possible. Of course people are this invested in bands and are going to talk about it at length, whether that band is static as hell, throws their sets in a blender each night, or is somewhere in between.
Also, the "it's always going to be something" complaint about the complaints has to be the laziest way to dismiss a discussion as if none of it could possibly be valid.
I was at the Vegas shows and they didn't seem nearly as loud as the I&E shows (at least compared to the Madison Square Garden shows I attended in 2015). I don't mean the crowd--I mean the band/sound system. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Agree/disagree? Also, Bono's lower registers were difficult to hear in the mix.
Edit: I'll be at the Chicago shows next week, so I'm curious to see if it was just T-Mobile Arena.
Edit: I'll be at the Chicago shows next week, so I'm curious to see if it was just T-Mobile Arena.
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SoCalMusicLover
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36,000 would be with 2 sellouts. They're not going to even sell out 1 night in L.A. though, there are about 1,400 tickets still remaining for the shows.
I went into the Vegas shows completely spoiler-free. Here are the thoughts that went through my mind during the shows.
Night one (upper level):
--First act: The sound is not great up here. And this is way more similar to the I&E shows than I expected. I appreciate them steering away from the "all the hits!!!1" approach, but couldn't, for example, Gone have replaced UTEOTW?
--Second act: Acrobat?!? (my jaw dropped)
--End: Wow, they didn't play Streets or WOWY. I don't mind, but damn.
--Walking out: The forum must be discussing the set list ad nauseam. Time to pile on!
Night two (GA):
--The sound is better down here. Guess I'll shut up, have a beer, and enjoy the show.
What was this place like when the Acrobat rehearsals leaked? I've got to go back and dig those posts up.
Night one (upper level):
--First act: The sound is not great up here. And this is way more similar to the I&E shows than I expected. I appreciate them steering away from the "all the hits!!!1" approach, but couldn't, for example, Gone have replaced UTEOTW?
--Second act: Acrobat?!? (my jaw dropped)
--End: Wow, they didn't play Streets or WOWY. I don't mind, but damn.
--Walking out: The forum must be discussing the set list ad nauseam. Time to pile on!
Night two (GA):
--The sound is better down here. Guess I'll shut up, have a beer, and enjoy the show.
What was this place like when the Acrobat rehearsals leaked? I've got to go back and dig those posts up.
superchuk5
Refugee
I think we were all preparing for Acrobat to get "Drowning Manned" until it showed up at the dress rehearsal two days before Tulsa.
I think the most common discussion point was the decision to drop all the JT songs. They rehearsed a tentative 26-song set in mid April so it was quickly apparent that they were dropping all those songs. I think this discussion point somewhat overshadowed Acrobat
trevgreg
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Respectfully Ax, I wasn't trying to dismiss anyone's opinion by posting that (and if that's what it comes across as, it was hardly my intention). My point was showing that the discussions among other fanbases is relatively the same when it comes down to it. If they're used to reading the same songs every night, they'll throw out suggestions or say how they're tired of the "same songs", even though it's more or less the same thing no matter what band you follow that closely. I'm sure in most of those forums, we'd be the "casual fan" that's talked down upon in those parts... but it's just interesting to see how a lot of those places are kind of like this one, just with different song titles or members being mentioned. I read enough of them as of late that it does kind of repeat itself. And like I said before, I think, it's even kind of the same for people that follow TV shows or movies and similar areas.
Most opinions are fine and make for great discussion. It'd be really boring if it was otherwise, you know? I just get a kick out of how stuff happens like Acrobat getting played consistently or Joshua Tree songs finally get dropped for multiple shows , and then the discussion shifts to something different altogether. That's mostly what I mean when I said "it's always something"... once we got over the excitement of something, the discussion shifted again on what was right and what was wrong. Which it usually does anyway. Suddenly these other songs are the wrong songs to play, or fans get mad for the billionth time about how a band "only" shifts one or two songs a night... despite the fact that most people commenting on these things might only attend a show or two or maybe listen to a bootleg or two from any given tour leg, much less actually see a second show in a row. That includes me, btw!
On a few of those forums, there's also people that are basically your equivalent and follow set lists or whatever's played closely enough to give interesting insights on it - which is great, for what it's worth. And on the other end, there's always people who call the bands "lazy" or "dumb" just because they're reading about the same set list every night (which, if anything, is what might irritate me a tad more than whatever else). Like I said, it's a lot of the same... which is mostly what I was trying to point out there. It's just interesting to get that perspective and see ways we might have it alright... or not, in some eyes.
And for the most part, we're not exactly that bad off. We still have all four band members still alive and touring regularly. We get 20-25 songs a night for 2+ hours when others get maybe 18 over 110 minutes. 5-11 "new" songs as opposed to 1 or 2? Pretty nice, huh? Discussion on what to play is fine and all. But seeing some call it "dumb" or "pathetic" or "lame" or an exception to what everyone else does? Could be a lot worse, I'd think. We have it pretty good aside from little details that differ among each of us.
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Mac_Fly
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And I think the limitation in variation has something to do with the fact that U2 have structured this 2nd half of SOI/SOE to fit a certain narrative (even if we don't see or feel it). So mixing in all kinds of different songs on a nightly basis wouldn't work so much.
This is a great post, and I now see your point; I'm with you on all of it.
I've obviously had my criticisms of U2's setlists for the past few tours - I really do feel that U2 have not achieved the maximum potential of the concepts and staging for a while, though I would qualify that by saying my quibbles with IE were far less severe than those I had with 360. EI at the moment is somewhere in between. They're such an amazing live band, and to think they could be even better with some tweaks is really quite something, the sort of experience that to even imagine it feels impressive, you know?
I say that, though, as a way of saying I am nonetheless tired of the drive-by "this set sucks"/"U2 are lazy"/"band on autopilot" posts (as distinguished from actual thoughtful reviews that reach similar conclusions), especially when they come from people whose only opinion of a setlist has only ever been "lazy!!" I've come to just ignore those tweets when they roll into the U2gigs Twitter mentions, because who cares? If you can't offer something of substance, I'm not sure why I'd want to listen, even when I agree.
What gets me the most is when those comments come from veterans of many tours, who should know that U2 aren't Pearl Jam or Springsteen and set their expectations accordingly. Ask for something realistic, something that makes sense in the context of this band and fits with their current tour. I would fucking love it if U2 had that degree of variation - even if it would create hella work on U2gigs - but it's not going to happen, and I hope nobody has reads any of my critiques as wanting this. I think U2 are capable of a higher level of variation than they are doing right now, and I've explained before why I think this would be great for all audience members, but even if they did let go a bit more, they're not going to get much past the variation of Lovetown or Vertigo. And that's fine, that's who they are as a live band, and if they tried to be Pearl Jam their shows would be too messy because that level of variation would not suit them.
I love the thoughtful posts, and the genuine concerns (the stuff about the encore right now needs to reach the band). They come from a place of deep fandom and often say something more broad about the tour than just "ugh static sets lol Pride sux". And I do think it's a shame some people come in here - clearly not you - and take those sorts of posts as "more Interference whinging". Yes, we've got Acrobat(!!!), and a Pop song, and Gloria, and a whole bunch more new songs than most other bands of their stature would dare to play, but that certainly doesn't mean that the set is above criticism or that it cannot be improved. These sorts of discussions are part of what being fans is about, as your links show.
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