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Old 04-10-2017, 10:55 PM   #31
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I still find that VERY strange. On Elevation and Vertigo tours they easily sold out 2 nights at the same arena, and on 360 in Denver they played to over 70,000. For I&E, They only sold 28,000 / 36,000 possible tickets. I guess in the aftermath of SOI their image took a major hit, they weren't the "must-see" show at that moment.

The fact that the shows this summer have sold so well tells me that no permanent damage was done to their reputation, but people were just a little put off in 2015.
Well, I would say using this the Joshua Tree Tour 2017 as a gauge as to whether demand is up or down for the band live is probably not very accurate. This years tour has a limited number of shows and is a unique nostalgia event that will bring out all types of fans. I'd expect you'll see demand levels return to what they were when the Innocence And Experience Tour continues. They'll be keeping that in arenas. Although this years tour is more in demand, notice they did not book a show in Denver.
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More likely it was simply the standard start in the arenas and see where demand is at. Its what U2 did to start of the ZOO TV tour. Demand proved to be way down from the previous two tours meaning Innocence and Experience would have to remain indoors.
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You can't remove seats from circulation. The Denver shows started off initially with lower capacities. As more tickets were sold, more were released. If any ticket released is not sold, then the concert is not a sellout. The promoter gauges the further release of tickets tightly to insure a sellout, but this does not always happen. That's how the Denver shows got marked as sellouts just like any other show over the past 40 odd years. In 2001, the Elevation Pittsburgh show I went to sold lower level rear stage seats, but not anything in the upper level rear stage even though there were people locked outside without tickets. They new they could sell the remaining tickets in the lower level rear stage, but dare not open up the upper level because they were unlikely to sell all of what would be released and it would look better to have the entire area empty instead of have just a few dozen seats filled.
You absolutely can take tickets off the market if they haven't been sold, and close down sections if they've sold poorly with the intention of relocating the small number of people who bought said tickets.

People arrived at Denver to find the sections they had purchased were curtained off, and had to get different tickets in different sections. This was well documented here. Perhaps this was before you created your new handle, sting, so I can't fault you for not remembering.
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Will U2 sell the remaining tickets to make this tour a complete sell out?

This happens a lot actually, just not usually with U2. I have had my seats relocated due to poor sales at concerts of Muse, Kings of Leon, and believe it or not, Bruce Springsteen. Standard industry practice actually.
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Well, I would say using this the Joshua Tree Tour 2017 as a gauge as to whether demand is up or down for the band live is probably not very accurate. This years tour has a limited number of shows and is a unique nostalgia event that will bring out all types of fans. I'd expect you'll see demand levels return to what they were when the Innocence And Experience Tour continues. They'll be keeping that in arenas. Although this years tour is more in demand, notice they did not book a show in Denver.
There is an entitled expectation from many U2 fans that the i+e tour will return next year in Arena format back to the United States. I certainly hope this is the case, but I doubt it. Speaking from the Miami point of view, where I live and am from, a return of U2 next year months after filling out 70,000 seat Hard Rock Stadium seems like overkill.

Don't be stunned if your expectations of i+e arena tour returning to America don't come to pass.
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You absolutely can take tickets off the market if they haven't been sold, and close down sections if they've sold poorly with the intention of relocating the small number of people who bought said tickets.

People arrived at Denver to find the sections they had purchased were curtained off, and had to get different tickets in different sections. This was well documented here. Perhaps this was before you created your new handle, sting, so I can't fault you for not remembering.
The people are not given different tickets. They simply get to sit in a different part of the venue. Thats not pulling tickets out of circulation, that is just moving a body to a different place for the show. Happened often on POPMART. Whats a "handle" and you can call me Bono by the way.
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This happens a lot actually, just not usually with U2. I have had my seats relocated due to poor sales at concerts of Muse, Kings of Leon, and believe it or not, Bruce Springsteen. Standard industry practice actually.
Yes, but being relocated is not the same as pulling seats from circulation. If that were the case, every concert for the past 40 years would be marked as a sellout, and that is not the case. Not even close. There are plenty of live nation concerts that don't sellout, so if it were some practice by Live Nation, that wouldn't be happening then.
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I don't think so, Sting
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There is an entitled expectation from many U2 fans that the i+e tour will return next year in Arena format back to the United States. I certainly hope this is the case, but I doubt it. Speaking from the Miami point of view, where I live and am from, a return of U2 next year months after filling out 70,000 seat Hard Rock Stadium seems like overkill.

Don't be stunned if your expectations of i+e arena tour returning to America don't come to pass.
It be very unusual that in promoting their latest two albums, Songs Of Innocence and the soon to be released Songs Of Experience that they would not make stop to promote these albums in one of the ten largest markets in the United States. The BB&T center in Fort Lauderdale will probably be getting two shows in 2018. Or they could even do one show at the American Airlines Arena in Miami and one at the BB&T Center in Fort Lauderdale just like Pearl Jam did last year. Its a whole year later, one of the largest metro areas in the United States, and were talking an arena show with just 18,000 tickets to sell as opposed 60,000. Plus, its a totally different type of show from this years Joshua Tree show.
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The people are not given different tickets. They simply get to sit in a different part of the venue. Thats not pulling tickets out of circulation, that is just moving a body to a different place for the show. Happened often on POPMART. Whats a "handle" and you can call me Bono by the way.
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Otherwise Mr. Trump, every concert for the past 40 years would have been marked as soldout.
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Otherwise Mr. Trump, every concert for the past 40 years would have been marked as soldout.
This was the first tour with new management buckeroo...
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This was the first tour with new management buckeroo...
I'm talking about all artist and whether a show is marked as soldout or not. I don't know what having a new manager in place of Paul McGuinness has to do with this. The live stuff is still handled by Live Nation and Arthur Fogel. Arthur Fogel has been doing work for the band for decades now.
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And there's the Sting mention of good old Arthur Fogel we've been waiting for.
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