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Old 05-26-2017, 08:55 AM   #481
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LOL...coming from the guy who just whinged about Bono jabbering too much at his own show.

I'd take 26 songs and the jabbering over 21 songs and pretty much saying nothing.
26 songs would be better than the 22 they usually play but it would be very surprising if they did that. Complaining about the set length is like complaining about Bono talking or U2 being political. All of these are standard for U2, and I don't see much difference between 21 and 23 songs as long as the set was good. I'd take a 21 or 22 song JT show over 23 Vertigo or 360 songs.
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Lol. This is good
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Bubble Bursting Time: here are the average show lengths of U2 tours going back 34 years.

1983: 18
TUF: 18
TJT: 20
Lovetown: 19
Zoo TV: 22
Popmart: 23 (incl. Daydream Believer)
Elevation: 21
Vertigo: 23
360: 23
I&E: 25
TJT: 22

The current show is, on average, longer than the original Joshua Tree tour, Lovetown, and Elevation and is the same length as Zoo TV, but that one had two covers and this one has none. Popmart had a cover. In terms of original material played, this is their fourth longest set, and they're playing longer now than they did in the 80s when they were younger and stronger.

There's really nothing to complain about.

After those above examples, to make any more complain is questionable.
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Bubble Bursting Time: here are the average show lengths of U2 tours going back 34 years.

1983: 18
TUF: 18
TJT: 20
Lovetown: 19
Zoo TV: 22
Popmart: 23 (incl. Daydream Believer)
Elevation: 21
Vertigo: 23
360: 23
I&E: 25
TJT: 22

The current show is, on average, longer than the original Joshua Tree tour, Lovetown, and Elevation and is the same length as Zoo TV, but that one had two covers and this one has none. Popmart had a cover. In terms of original material played, this is their fourth longest set, and they're playing longer now than they did in the 80s when they were younger and stronger.

There's really nothing to complain about..

Brilliant post. Thanks.
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Argument over. The setlist length is normal. Thanks for going 538 on us and putting our minds at ease.

This is also 21-22 songs without any "short songs" (think MLK / Scarlet on 360, Zooropa on IE)
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There should be no "argument". That some people would like the set list to be longer (like the last tour) is not something that's up for debate. It's an opinion.

If someone says they think the set list is "short", it's not an argument. It's an o-p-i-n-i-o-n. And if they think it happens to be short in comparison to the last tour, they'd be right.

On the other hand, if someone here said this was U2's shortest set ever, or that it was considerably shorter than all their other tours, then that person would be wrong. But I didn't see anyone do that.

Crikey, the extent that people here get worked up about opinions they don't like is pretty startling (well, not startling. but still). The only people "arguing" were those who can't tolerate the opinions of others.

In any event, since no one said this was U2's shortest set ever, or shorter than most of their other tours (that I'm aware of) I don't see what the "argument" is.
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There should be no "argument". That some people would like the set list to be longer (like the last tour) is not something that's up for debate. It's an opinion.

If someone says they think the set list is "short", it's not an argument. It's an o-p-i-n-i-o-n.

I am referring only to the conversation of whether or not the shows are shorter than previous tours, I do not mean to include opinions on whether or not the shows should be longer.
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My vote:

The setlist was fine. I would love a couple more songs of course. I&E tour was a band not sure if their new stuff was relevant wanting it to be, so they designed a total show around it and played most of it...but they weren't sure anyone cared, so they played a lot of hits around it. Thus the sudden uptick of numbers. If they were more confident in the album being desired by the fans, we would have had the standard 22 songs and 4 "hits' would have disappeared. They felt SOI was a theme that needed its own show, so they didn't drop songs like they did on 360, but they were afraid to not give the crowd what they wanted. They just did both.


Maybe the same will happen in SOE. We'd all be happy, because we would get 25 songs again. But given that I&E tour was just like 2 years ago, I doubt any "health issues" are the reason for the reduction, especially noting the numbers presented.
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Well, it's shorter than some tours, longer than others. It's probably about average.

It's shorter than the last tour. And the trend since the 80's has generally been upwards in terms of set list length (with a couple exceptions). I think most of us agree we'd like it to be longer. Even if we realise, that yes, it's roughly "normal" as far as set lists go.
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This is silly, but I'm not surprised. Cause 💩

Why is this even a debate?

https://youtu.be/-uMFxNCQrG8

That was the 30th song of the night​, 3 hours and 40 minutes into the show. And he played 3 more songs after it.

And he's 67.

He's a freak or nature. Trying to say anyone other than the late James Brown is close to him is a silly silly thing.
One of the two songs where he ventures into the crowd (with Hungry Heart) ? I know...I attended this tour.*

As I said...the length of his shows is admirable. What are you arguing about ? I consider Bono, Jagger and Dave Gahan better frontmen, is all.

*stadium show. I stand corrected if this happens more in arena shows.
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