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It's either "Invisible" or "The Miracle" for opener...I think The Miracle's opening lines kind of fit best for a show opener...it's a rocker and has Bono's awakening into the music world. Call it a spiritual rebirth (or birth) if you will.

Invisible is likely the opener. "I am not invisible, I am here" and the whole "there is no them, only us" will be an awesome lead in to a rocking set. I believe the rumored running order so far is Invisible/Real Thing/Desire (full band)/California/MW for an opening sequence. And I've been listening to just the album versions in that order -- kicks ass.

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Yeah that would be a pretty sweet opening, provided Desire is full band and they don't castrate Mysterious Ways.

Rehearsal reports have said that Desire is full electric with solo - but that they haven't rehearsed MW with its slide solo yet.

To me, playing MW without the slide solo is like playing Streets without its intro or Bad without "wide awake". It's what makes the song so awesome live.
 
I believe the rumored running order so far is Invisible/Real Thing/Desire (full band)/California/MW for an opening sequence.

If that's actually how they open the shows, it would be very kickass. High energy, familiar songs but not an obvious set of songs to open the show. Like others have said though Mysterious Ways needs the slide solo.
 
Tour excitement has got me to spin the album for the first time in months. Invisible I can see working as an opener. The Miracle, no. Honestly that song is so bad, they shouldn't play it at all. They will of course, but that would go down like a fart if it opened the show.
 
I REALLY wish they'd bring back Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses as a full band electric performance. It's a really rare live song and yet one that the general public will know really well. Plus in my opinion it's their best song ever. I don't get why it's so ignored by the band.

God yes.
 

They never figured out how to play it live in my opinion. Mainly during ZooTV the flow of the set suffered when they included Horses. But it was a single, so they had to promote it. Later they gave up and dropped it.

The best version for me remains from Achtung Kindergarten. The magic is in there. Even Edge confirmed it when they released Achtung remaster.
 
I did and I'm incredibly underwhelmed. I do not like the song. I think it's just flat out boring. It's easily my least favourite on SOI. I don't think it's going to be great live at all. I don't think it's going to be receieved well either. It will just kinda fall flat. We'll find out though I guess.

I didn´t want to be negative, but I think "flat" is the best description so far for that live performance, I cannot say I didn´t expect it...
 
In my opinion it was fucking amazing live and much better than the single or album version and should be played a LOT more.
 
Who want to hear California's rehearsal live?
I have to say its a beauty.
Nothing like the album.
Much better.
 
No sorry never thought of recording it,
But the sound was amazing and I was just outside the door.
Thank God for the arena that you could almost fit all of fingers between the doors.
Let just say it was the perfect place For U2's rehearsal if you were a fan.
I heard someone's going to upload a few more and California is one of them.
 
Tour excitement has got me to spin the album for the first time in months. Invisible I can see working as an opener. The Miracle, no. Honestly that song is so bad, they shouldn't play it at all. They will of course, but that would go down like a fart if it opened the show.

Totally agree. Honestly, if it's The Miracle vs a fart for the opener, the fart would get a better reaction. How on earth was this a lead single?

Who wants to hear them play Acrobat live?

Not saying I have a recording of it... just asking who wants to?

Not me any more. That ship's sailed and I very much doubt a live version today would do it justice. On Elevation or Vertigo they could have pulled it off. Now? I would be very sceptical.
 
:larry: The album is almost done. It's time to write a fucking hit.

:edge: I've got my dad rock pedal.

:adam: Give us your catchiest hook, Bono!

:bono: I AWAKENED AT THE MOMENT IN WHlCH A MIRACULOUS CIRCUMSTANCE TRANSPIRED
 
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:larry: The album is almost done. It's time to write a fucking hit.

:edge: I've got my power chords ready.

:adam: Give us your best hook, Bono!

:bono: I AWAKENED AT THE MOMENT IN WHlCH A MIRACULOUS CIRCUMSTANCE TRANSPIRED

:bono: Hey guys, you know what would make this a perfect, irresistible lead single?

:edge: :adam: :larry: What Bono, what?

:bono: AN AWKWARD PARENTHETICAL TITLE REFERENCING A MUSICIAN THE KIDS HAVE NEVER HEARD OF SO WE CAN TEACH THEM ABOUT GOOD OLD MUSIC 'CAUSE WE'RE HIP WITH THE KIDS
 
:bono: Hey guys, you know what would make this a perfect, irresistible lead single?



:edge: :adam: :larry: What Bono, what?



:bono: AN AWKWARD PARENTHETICAL TITLE REFERENCING A MUSICIAN THE KIDS HAVE NEVER HEARD OF SO WE CAN TEACH THEM ABOUT GOOD OLD MUSIC 'CAUSE WE'RE HIP WITH THE KIDS


I don't hate the song. Would have been viewed much better if it was a b-side. Not a lead single though, and the weakest song on the album


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I don't hate the song. Would have been viewed much better if it was a b-side. Not a lead single though, and the weakest song on the album

If it weren't for Song For Someone being weaker, I would agree completely.

U2's last two lead single choices have been real shockers. Though to be honest, nothing on SOI screams "LEAD SINGLE!!!" at me like Beautiful Day or Vertigo.

Would have gone to #1 in every nation had they called it Joey Ramone, The Miracle (Of).

Hyman, Jeffrey Ross "Joey Ramone", Miracle Of [Citation Required] (The)
 
If it weren't for Song For Someone being weaker, I would agree completely.

U2's last two lead single choices have been real shockers. Though to be honest, nothing on SOI screams "LEAD SINGLE!!!" at me like Beautiful Day or Vertigo.



Hyman, Jeffrey Ross "Joey Ramone", Miracle Of [Citation Required] (The)

I actually like SFS. A bit generic, but still a pretty solid melody. For a simple, quiet U2 ballad it is reasonably strong.

The line "I was told that I would feel nothing the first time" gets me.
 
The Miracle (of

Joey Ramone


Background information


Birth name
Jeffrey Ross Hyman

Also known as
Joey Ramone

Born
May 19, 1951
Forest Hills, Queens
New York, US

Died
April 15, 2001 (aged 49)
Washington Heights, Manhattan
New York, US

Genres
Punk rock

Occupation(s)
Musician, singer-songwriter

Instruments
Vocals, drums, percussion, guitar, bass

Years active
1972–2001

Labels
Sire, Radioactive

Associated acts
Ramones, Sibling Rivalry, Sniper

Website
joeyramone.com

Jeffrey Ross Hyman (May 19, 1951 – April 15, 2001), best known by his stage name Joey Ramone, was an American musician and singer-songwriter, best known as the lead vocalist of the punk rock band the Ramones. Joey Ramone's image, voice, and tenure as frontman of the Ramones made him a countercultural icon.[1]



Contents [hide]
1 Early life
2 Sniper
3 Ramones
4 Vocal style
5 Other projects
6 Death and influence
7 Discography 7.1 Solo 7.1.1 EPs
7.1.2 Singles
7.1.3 Memorial books


8 References
9 External links


Early life[edit]

Born Jeffrey Ross Hyman to Noel Hyman and his wife Charlotte (née Mandell),[2] they lived in Forest Hills, Queens, New York,[3] where Hyman and his future Ramones bandmates attended Forest Hills High School. Though happy, Hyman was something of an outcast. When he was 18 years old, he was diagnosed with obsessive–compulsive disorder. He grew up with brother Mickey Leigh. His mother Charlotte Lesher divorced her first husband, Noel Hyman. She married a second time but was later widowed due to a car accident while she was on vacation.

Hyman was a fan of The Beatles,[4] The Who, David Bowie, and The Stooges among other bands (particularly oldies and the Phil Spector-produced "girl groups"). His idol was Pete Townshend of The Who (with whom he shared a birthday). Hyman took up drums at 13, and played throughout his teen years. Before he joined the Ramones, he was the singer in a band called Sniper.

Sniper[edit]

In 1972 Hyman joined the glam punk band, Sniper. Sniper played at the Mercer Arts Center, Max's Kansas City and the Coventry, alongside the New York Dolls, Suicide, and Queen Elizabeth III.[5] Hyman played with Sniper under the name Jeff Starship.[6] Mickey Leigh: "I was shocked when the band came out. Joey was the lead singer and I couldn't believe how good he was. Because he'd been sitting in my house with my acoustic guitar, writing these songs like 'I Don't Care', fucking up my guitar, and suddenly he's this guy on stage who you can't take your eyes off of."[5] He continued playing with Sniper until early 1974, when he was replaced by Alan Turner.

Ramones[edit]

In 1974, Jeffrey Hyman co-founded the punk rock band Ramones with friends John Cummings and Douglas Colvin, Colvin was already using the pseudonym "Dee Dee Ramone" upon which point all three adopted stage names using "Ramone" as their surname: Cummings became Johnny Ramone, Colvin became Dee Dee Ramone, and Hyman became Joey Ramone. The name Ramone stems from a story that Paul McCartney briefly used the stage name "Paul Ramon" during the Beatles early days when the band used the name The Silver Beetles.

Joey initially served as the group's drummer while Dee Dee Ramone was the original vocalist. However, when Dee Dee's vocal cords proved unable to sustain the demands of consistent live performance, Ramones manager Thomas Erdelyi suggested Joey switch to vocals. After a series of unsuccessful auditions in search of a new drummer, Erdelyi took over on drums, assuming the name Tommy Ramone.[1]

The Ramones were a major influence on the punk rock movement in the United States, though they achieved only minor commercial success. Their only record with enough U.S. sales to be certified gold was the compilation album Ramones Mania. Recognition of the band's importance built over the years, and they are now regularly represented in many assessments of all-time great rock music, such as the Rolling Stone lists of the 50 Greatest Artists of All Time and 25 Greatest Live Albums of All Time, VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock, and Mojo's 100 Greatest Albums. In 2002, the Ramones were voted the second greatest rock and roll band ever in Spin, trailing only The Beatles.

In 1996, after a tour with the Lollapalooza music festival, the band played their final show and then disbanded.

Vocal style[edit]

Ramone's voice was within a tenor range and it was unorthodox in that he had no formal training in an era when vocal proficiency was arguably the norm for most rock bands. His signature cracks, hiccups, snarls, crooning and youthful voice made his one of punk rock's most recognizable voices. Allmusic.com claims that "Joey Ramone's signature bleat was the voice of punk rock in America."[1] As his vocals matured and deepened through his career, so did the Ramones' songwriting, leaving a notable difference from Joey's initial melodic and callow style—two notable tracks serving as examples are "Somebody Put Something in My Drink" and "Mama's Boy".

Other projects[edit]





Joey Ramone was honored with the creation of "Joey Ramone Place" outside the address of CBGB in New York City.
In 1985, Ramone joined Steven Van Zandt's music industry activist group Artists United Against Apartheid, which campaigned against the Sun City resort in South Africa. Ramone and 49 other recording artists – including Bruce Springsteen, Keith Richards, Lou Reed and Run DMC — collaborated on the song "Sun City", in which they pledged they would never perform at the resort.

In 1994, Ramone appeared on the Helen Love album Love and Glitter, Hot Days and Music, singing the track "Punk Boy". Helen Love returned the favor, singing on Ramone's song "Mr. Punchy".

In October 1996, Ramone headlined the "Rock The Reservation" alternative rock festival in Tuba City, Arizona.[7] 'Joey Ramone & the Resistance' (Daniel Rey on guitar, John Connor on bass guitar and Roger Murdock on drums) debuted Ramone's interpretation of Louis Armstrong's "Wonderful World' live, as well as Ramone's choice of Ramones classics and some of his other favorite songs; The Dave Clark Five's "Any Way You Want It", The Who's "The Kids are Alright" and The Stooges' "No Fun."

Ramone co-wrote and recorded the song "Meatball Sandwich" with Youth Gone Mad. For a short time before his death, he took the role of manager and producer for the punk rock band The Independents.[8]

His last recording as a vocalist was backup vocals on the CD One Nation Under by the Dine Navajo rock group Blackfire. He appeared on two tracks, "What Do You See" and "Lying to Myself". The 2002 CD won "Best Pop/Rock Album of the Year" at the 2002 Native American Music Awards.[9]

Ramone produced the Ronnie Spector album She Talks to Rainbows in 1999. It was critically acclaimed, but was not very commercially successful. The title track was previously on the Ramones' final studio album, ¡Adios Amigos!.

Death and influence[edit]





Headstone for Joey Ramone with fan tributes
Joey Ramone died of lymphoma at New York-Presbyterian Hospital on April 15, 2001, after a seven-year battle, a month before he would have turned 50.[10] He was reportedly listening to the song "In a Little While" by U2 when he died. [11] This was during U2's Elevation Tour, and from that point on during shows Bono would introduce the song as a tune that was originally about a lovestruck hangover but that Joey turned it into a gospel song. In an interview in 2014 for Radio 538, Bono confirmed that Joey Ramone's family told him that Ramone listened to the song before he died.[12]

His solo album Don't Worry About Me was released posthumously in 2002, and features the single "What a Wonderful World", a cover of the Louis Armstrong standard. MTV News claimed: "With his trademark rose-colored shades, black leather jacket, shoulder-length hair, ripped jeans and alternately snarling and crooning vocals, Joey was the iconic godfather of punk."[13]

On November 30, 2003, a block of East 2nd Street in New York City was officially renamed Joey Ramone Place.[14] It is the block where Hyman once lived with bandmate Dee Dee Ramone, and is near the former site of the music club CBGB, where the Ramones got their start. Hyman's birthday is celebrated annually by rock 'n' roll nightclubs, hosted in New York City by his brother and, until 2007, his mother, Charlotte. Joey Ramone is interred at Hillside Cemetery in Lyndhurst, New Jersey.[15]

In 2001, the Ramones were named as inductees to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, prior to the ceremony held early the following year.

Several songs have been written in tribute to Joey Ramone. Tommy, CJ and Marky and Daniel Rey came together in 2002 to record Jed Davis's Joey Ramone tribute, "The Bowery Electric".[16] Other tributes include "Hello Joe" by Blondie from the album The Curse of Blondie, "Don't Take Me For Granted" by Social Distortion, "Here's To You" by Minus3, "You Can't Kill Joey Ramone" by Sloppy Seconds, Joey by Raimundos, "I Wanna Be Your Joey Ramone" by Sleater-Kinney, "Red and White Stripes" by Moler and "Joey" by The Corin Tucker Band, "I Heard Ramona Sing" by Frank Black on his self-titled first solo album, "Joey had to go" by The Hanson Brothers on their album My Game [17] and Amy Rigby's "Dancin' With Joey Ramone," released in 2005. In addition, Rammstein also ended several shows of their Mutter tour in 2001 with a cover of "Pet Semetary" in honor of the passing of Joey Ramone. As the tour went on it become a regular show ender and guests joining the band on stage, including CJ Ramone, Marky Ramone, Clawfinger vocalist Zak Tell, and Jerry Only of The Misfits.

In September 2010, the Associated Press reported that "Joey Ramone Place," a sign at the corner of Bowery and East Second Street was New York City's most stolen sign. Later, the sign was moved to 20 feet above ground level. Drummer Marky Ramone thought Joey would appreciate the fact that his sign would be the most stolen adding "Now you have to be an NBA player to see it."[18]

After several years in development, Ramone's second posthumous album was released on May 22, 2012. Titled Ya Know?, it was preceded on Record Store Day by a 7" single re-release of Blitzkrieg Bop/Havana Affair[19]

The 2013 film CBGB, about the club of the same name, includes a portrayal of Ramone by Joel David Moore.

The opening track of U2's 2014 album Songs of Innocence is called "The Miracle (of Joey Ramone)", paying tribute to the Ramones' influence on U2 from a show which the young bandmembers had attended in the late 1970s. Lead singer Bono claimed that it was Joey Ramone who showed him how to sing.)
 
There's actually two songs that are clear rock hits... Reach me Now or Crystal Ballroom. Even California can play that role.

The Miracle is an awful song, and a terrible single, like Boots.

Btw... U2.com teaser for the tour has Crystal Ballroom as the soundtrack...
 
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