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Old 07-27-2009, 08:59 PM   #1
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Too much claw, not enough body! - Complaints about the setlist

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I love the band a ton but, f&&k, they obsess over so much....just f&&ing play it and see what happens."

Completely agree. 3 Nights in Dublin and they really didn't pull anything special out for them. That is pathetic. Fanatics travel internationally to Dublin & they pull very little out of their back pocket for their own and the international fans.

I love the band, but they are way too conservative. They are a great band, they have great concerts, they make great music, they are my favorite, but as musicians...I can only say they are MARGINAL.

Most, if not all of their creativity goes in before the shows. You could make an argument that it's all bolted down before before a claw, heart or lemon are in place. It is starting to drive me nuts that they are more interested in large construction than pleasing their fans.

True musicians can mix it up from night to night and after 30 years, they should not be so worried about falling down. Big deal, you'll get up! Why they still act like they have been playing instruments for 3 years is beside me.

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Fucking hilarious!!! It never ends...

So now "mixing it up" = true musicians?

Dumb.

Funny, one guy in the claw thread says they don't use it enough, you think they use it too much
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Fucking hilarious!!! It never ends...

So now "mixing it up" = true musicians?

Dumb.

Funny, one guy in the claw thread says they don't use it enough, you think they use it too much
yes, being able to stray from a setlist is an important part of being an artist. When the cards are pre-determined, it's not art anymore!

My point is not that the claw is the problem. My problem is that there is an element that for years has gone unaddressed by the band. That simple element is a bit more flavor in their sets.

You can not be so ignorant to think that set lock-down is not an issue with these guys, can you? Should we not be able to expect more from a well established band after 30 years of playing together?

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Fucking hilarious!!! It never ends...

So now "mixing it up" = true musicians?

Dumb.

Funny, one guy in the claw thread says they don't use it enough, you think they use it too much
Dude, you're a deadset asshole. All you do is ridicule other people's opinions.
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yes, being able to stray from a setlist is an important part of being an artist. When the cards are pre-determined, it's not art anymore!
And this is your definition of art, correct?

So by your definition U2 haven't been artist since the days of JT?


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My point is not that the claw is the problem.
Then why put it in your title?

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Dude, you're a deadset asshole. All you do is ridicule other people's opinions.
Only when they are not based on logic. But I don't call people assholes
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Dude, you're a deadset asshole. All you do is ridicule other people's opinions.
Mr V. - 24,000+ posts - You can expect little thought / content.
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Only when they are not based on logic. But I don't call people assholes
Is that why you haven't said anything about LemonMelon's argument, which is the one that pretty much represents everyone on his side. Others obviously can't put it so well as he did, so are you just about picking on idiots?
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Is that why you haven't said anything about LemonMelon's argument, which is the one that pretty much represents everyone on his side. Others obviously can't put it so well as he did, so are you just about picking on idiots?
What did LemonMelon say in this thread?

I don't know what you are talking about...
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Dude, you're a deadset asshole. All you do is ridicule other people's opinions.
I actually agree with you about the second part, but please dont call other members assholes.
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Mr V. - 24,000+ posts - You can expect little thought / content.
But you have thought and content? You are ignoring the fact that U2 have haven't "mixed it up" for the majority of their career. Not a whole lot of thought there.
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What did LemonMelon say in this thread?

I don't know what you are talking about...
Don't play dumb. The other thread, talking about the same shit as this one:

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No one is suggesting U2 simply axe the recent uptempo hits. When you have a catalogue as impressive as U2's, it is entirely possible to perform some of them while exchanging the others for older rockers (Electric Co., Gloria, The Fly, Gone, etc.) that may be the preference of someone else in the crowd. You don't have to perform the same three rockers every single night without exception. Unfortunately, U2 seems to disagree.
You haven't addressed this argument. Is this because it is reasonable and coherent?
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I actually agree with you about the second part,
But, I'm honestly not ridiculing an opinion. I'm pointing out a very misguided argument. If this was truly just an opinion I probably wouldn't bother...
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You haven't addressed this argument. Is this because it is reasonable and coherent?
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No one is suggesting U2 simply axe the recent uptempo hits. When you have a catalogue as impressive as U2's, it is entirely possible to perform some of them while exchanging the others for older rockers (Electric Co., Gloria, The Fly, Gone, etc.) that may be the preference of someone else in the crowd. You don't have to perform the same three rockers every single night without exception. Unfortunately, U2 seems to disagree.
Well this is a slightly different argument. And yes I understand it, and isn't this what they are doing somewhat? I mean we've seen UTEOTW, Bad, and MW mixed in there only 10 shows in. A lot more "artistic" than PopMart, don't you think? I mean given the definition in this thread.
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"And this is your definition of art, correct?"

It absolutely adds to the artistic equation. It is not all aspects. When it comes to musicianship, it's one of the largest factors IMO.

"So by your definition U2 haven't been artist since the days of JT?"

Actually, I never considered the JT Tour to be their most flexible in terms of setlist. Lovetown might be a better fit. 3rd Leg of Elevation was brilliant IMO - art...yes. Same set swapping out 2 songs every other night - not very create or artistic.

"Then why put it in your title?"

Claw as a metaphor.
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Actually, I never considered the JT Tour to be their most flexible in terms of setlist. Lovetown might be a better fit. 3rd Leg of Elevation was brilliant IMO - art...yes. Same set swapping out 2 songs every other night - not very create or artistic.
So Elevation was the only real artistic time in U2's career?

How artistic were U2 during Elevation at this point in the tour?
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