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Old 08-09-2009, 04:56 PM   #1
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Reason For Set List Complaints

1.) They started in Europe and not in US. So it seems 98% of people on here seem to be from the US and haven't seen a show yet. (I go to London on Friday and will feel 100% different about it all AFTER seeing it in person)

2.) They are playing in stadiums and not arenas. Just a different feel.

3.) People always have nostalgia for BEFORE when it comes to bands they love. I know a fan that only likes them pre 1984. So next tour people will hate that one and miss this one.

4.) I seriously do think this album has a darker quality to it, and not as easy to get into -- so the new songs don't seem to be getting people as excited as in past tours. Or maybe it's just the fact that 4 of them are played right away and before you can catch your breath, they are onto their past works so it doesn't feel like a tour of the new album as much as a greatest hits tour. it may be placement.

5.) Technology. Twitter. YouTube. This message board. It's all so instant. We do take out the suprises. But I'm so used to looking at the setlist on paper, that I brush over songs I LOVE looking to see if they played One Tree Hill or something. But when I'm at the show, that stale setlist won't feel that way. It may look boring to see Pride on the setlist, but when I hear it, I still love it.

6.) It's human nature. People love to complain about everything.

7.) I also feel that many people need to show how big of a fan they are by being angry about set lists and the like. It's same with film and books and other bands. You can't show how much you know by just liking it, you have to show how much you know by being angry about it.

8.) We aren't at the shows, so that makes us upset. Like when your friend dates the hot girl. Or hot guy. Jealously. Well, since I can't be there, the set list sucks.

9.) A few do complain hoping that it will reach U2 and get them to play Lemon and Acrobat. Not going to happen.

10.) And the main reason to complain about set lists is to have something to talk about between U2 shows.
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11.) Bono is a fat douchebag narcissist who lies about U2 breaking up.
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12) We have a right to air our views on these matters.

Setlist complainers don't need to be patronised with sociological and pyschological excuses, thank you. I can only speak for myself and it's absolutely nothing to do with envy, modern technology or wanting to be "big." It is sheer frustration at a third consecutive tour which implicitely apologises for their 90s material
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14. They don't play an infinite shuffle repeat itunes playlist, dumbass.
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i'm not sure if them starting in europe vs. the u.s. or them playing stadiums is why people are complaining, though. i remember there were lots of complaints during the vertigo tour as well. however, i'm not saying i agree with the complaints.

i just think some perspective needs to be gained. by the third show, people were already complaining that the setlists were static. i'm too lazy to look up how the first few shows of every tour have been in terms of variety, but i imagine they'd be pretty similar to each other.

u2 are never going to be the type of band to play, in essence, completely different concerts each night. by and large, most of the setlist will stay the same from night to night. sure, at least one song will get dropped and added, and the order will change. over the course of a leg, it adds up to some variety.

i forget who posted this, but i remember reading recently that someone thinks all this is due to the internet. basically, back in the early 90s when u2 were giving us practically the same setlist every night, the internet wasn't nearly as huge as it is now, so people couldn't post setlists to shows or anything. so you could only base it on the shows you saw. so zoo tv seemed amazing, wow they're playing these songs and sound amazing, and the props and costumes and such were amazing too. yet the setlists were so static. nine songs were played at every show of zoo tv. every show! another was played at all but one. so with ~20 songs per show, roughly half was the same night after night. i'm not saying zoo tv wasn't great, but just rather that it's easy to look back fondly at old tours. not to mention, since the internet didn't really exist in its current form back then, concertgoers couldn't sit around seeing what was played every night to pick it apart.

that's not to say i don't think criticism isn't warranted or anything. for the most part, i think it's good to have high expectations for a band you like and find faults in the music and concerts they play. it helps keep u2 on their toes, so to speak, so they don't rest on their laurels and become a jukebox act, releasing the same album over and over again and playing an identical set through an entire tour. but of course if the expectations a fan sets are too high, then you're setting yourself up for disappointment because no one can live up to them.

now i'm rambling, but my main point is that i do think complaints, within reason, are okay. complaining for the sake of complaining or expecting u2 to be something they're not though is pointless.
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i'm not sure if them starting in europe vs. the u.s. or them playing stadiums is why people are complaining, though. i remember there were lots of complaints during the vertigo tour as well. however, i'm not saying i agree with the complaints.

i just think some perspective needs to be gained. by the third show, people were already complaining that the setlists were static. i'm too lazy to look up how the first few shows of every tour have been in terms of variety, but i imagine they'd be pretty similar to each other.

u2 are never going to be the type of band to play, in essence, completely different concerts each night. by and large, most of the setlist will stay the same from night to night. sure, at least one song will get dropped and added, and the order will change. over the course of a leg, it adds up to some variety.

i forget who posted this, but i remember reading recently that someone thinks all this is due to the internet. basically, back in the early 90s when u2 were giving us practically the same setlist every night, the internet wasn't nearly as huge as it is now, so people couldn't post setlists to shows or anything. so you could only base it on the shows you saw. so zoo tv seemed amazing, wow they're playing these songs and sound amazing, and the props and costumes and such were amazing too. yet the setlists were so static. nine songs were played at every show of zoo tv. every show! another was played at all but one. so with ~20 songs per show, roughly half was the same night after night. i'm not saying zoo tv wasn't great, but just rather that it's easy to look back fondly at old tours. not to mention, since the internet didn't really exist in its current form back then, concertgoers couldn't sit around seeing what was played every night to pick it apart.

that's not to say i don't think criticism isn't warranted or anything. for the most part, i think it's good to have high expectations for a band you like and find faults in the music and concerts they play. it helps keep u2 on their toes, so to speak, so they don't rest on their laurels and become a jukebox act, releasing the same album over and over again and playing an identical set through an entire tour. but of course if the expectations a fan sets are too high, then you're setting yourself up for disappointment because no one can live up to them.

now i'm rambling, but my main point is that i do think complaints, within reason, are okay. complaining for the sake of complaining or expecting u2 to be something they're not though is pointless.
it's a good post, but given i've already said these things anyway and get completely ignored you probably wasted your energy.
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ah, beg

you know, if someone had said they'd play these numbers three months ago

Breathe
No Line On The Horizon
Get On Your Boots
Magnificent / Miss Sarajevo (snippet)
Beautiful Day / Blackbird (snippet)
Elevation
One / Unchained Melody (snippet)
Until The End Of The World
Stay (Faraway, So Close!)
Unknown Caller
The Unforgettable Fire
City Of Blinding Lights
Vertigo
Crazy Tonight
Sunday Bloody Sunday / Rock The Casbah (snippet)
Pride (In The Name Of Love)
MLK
Walk On / You'll Never Walk Alone (snippet)
Where The Streets Have No Name / All You Need Is Love (snippet) / Happy Birthday (snippet)

Encore(s):
Ultra Violet (Light My Way)
With Or Without You
Moment of Surrender

i'm sure most people would have been fairly happy
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i forget who posted this, but i remember reading recently that someone thinks all this is due to the internet.
I think that was me!

See Ian, I noticed
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I think that was me!

See Ian, I noticed
ha, my point wasn't the internet part, but the part in which people are suddenly expecting u2 to do something different after over 25 years of doing the same thing. basically, the problem is if you make a point on these forums without yelling and freaking out, nobody listens to you.
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