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Old 07-19-2011, 09:51 PM   #76
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Can we stop with the passing of the instruments? U2 is not retiring.
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Maybe, or maybe not. I want to believe the 10 year circle (if nothing else, because 360 was my first U2 show) and I hope they can do it - and finishing the contract with Live Nation - but the medical issues on the last two tours can't be ignored, and they aren't getting any younger. And nothing against Bono's vocals on the last two tours, but it remains very much to be seen how he continues to age in that department. And I have a feeling Larry is getting more tired of touring than the other three.

In a way, they already are on their own planet, even if it all ends after 360. How many bands, in the original lineup, have managed worldwide popularity and critical acclaim for three straight decades ? How many have consistenly pushed the envelope of live stadium shows the way U2 has ? How many have managed as many reinventions, yet maintained the mass appeal ?
I think their touring is only a piece of the overall puzzle of overall greatness. I believe to achieve what they're trying to they need another Joshua Tree sized album combined with Bono's constant pushing on all front of media.
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Also, in addition to U2 not retiring, there will never be another world conquering band like The Police or U2 again, music is so fragmented nowadays, U2 truly is the last worldwide stadium artist.
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Also, in addition to U2 not retiring, there will never be another world conquering band like The Police or U2 again, music is so fragmented nowadays, U2 truly is the last worldwide stadium artist.
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Enjoy it while it lasts people!
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One of the medical issues had nothing to do with the actual band members health. So yes, you can ignore that one. Bono's back is the only thing that has happened and it extended the current tour 3 months longer than was originally planned. WOW. U2 are creative and I don't think they want to retire. If they absolutely hated touring and making records, they would retire. I do not see it happening in the near future.

Hell if Keith Richards can still get up on stage and play, anyone can.
They didn't ignore the medical issue on Vertigo tour. It delayed the opening leg.
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That was Edge's daughter. Hardly related to the band members' health there.. plus Bono was on heavy medication during the EU leg of the Vertigo tour, also for his back. But they did not cancel the tour or delay it for that.
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Hi everyone, I was recently at the Montreal show and like many of you, I was euphoric afterwards for 2 days. It was absolutely amazing, not only because of the bands performance, but because of the phenomenal stage design/screen/lights.

Now I can't help but wonder:

1) How will 360 be topped (by U2 or anyone else), or will it even be topped?
2) Will U2 even try to top it, or will they do the stripped down Elevation type shows for the rest of their career to take a safer route?
3) If/when they play stadiums, will 360 viewing be standard, or will they resort back to the norm of not selling seats behind the stage?

Obviously there are no hard answers on this, even U2 doesn't know. But I want to see what fellow U2 fans think about this. Prior to seeing the 360 tour, in my mind I always thought that intimate shows in arenas > giant stadium shows, and was even disappointed when they announced a stadium tour. But all of that has changed now, and I feel that 360 was even better than Elevation/Vertigo.

I can't imagine in my mind how they would be able to top "the Claw", but then again, I never imagined that happening to ZOOTV.

Now this is silly, but what about other bands? Will the Rolling Stones, Green Day, or anyone else even attempt at doing something as spectacular? IMO 360 blew the Stones' Bigger Bang tour out of the water, and given that the Stones are the only other band besides U2 who spend so much time and money on stage design, I'm curious to see how their next tour will be (it is rumored to happen next year), although I'm not expecting much.
Personally, I don't like the claw much at all and think it's already been "topped" by about 10 other productions I can think of...Zoo TV...Pop...various Stones/Floyd/waters tours etc.

The Claw is a big gimmick that is false advertising. The show isn't really "360" in that a 3rd of the seats are behind the stage. "360" implies you can see everything - in fact 15,000 people a night see nothing but Bono's ass for the whole show...which I guess is nice if you like that sort of thing...but still.

For the life of me, I can't understand why they didn't put this stage in the CENTER of the field and rotate it or the players. Makes no sense to me.

The Claw itself...once you get past the size...it really isn't very interesting at all.

And lastly, the setlist in 2009 absolutely blew...but it's much improved now so i'm going to see it again tonight.

It's a decent show and it's made a ton of money, but for me this is U2's worst tour in ages. Moving back into stadiums was NOT an improvement for the fan experience, and the Claw itself is an overhyped gimmick.

Nothing to top here, in my opinion.
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You cant top something massive in an emotional sense but you can in an era sense.
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Also, in addition to U2 not retiring, there will never be another world conquering band like The Police or U2 again, music is so fragmented nowadays, U2 truly is the last worldwide stadium artist.
Those differences in discovery/listening and the resulting fragmentation makes everything different, but I don't think it's any different for a band like Coldplay. They're in a pretty similar situation to where they would have been if this were 2001 or 1991. And that would apply to pretty much all of the current bands mentioned in here (except Arcade Fire).

Coldplay could do stadiums in plenty of markets right now. But I can't see them getting too much bigger than they are already, and that's really got nothing to do with differences in the market. Same with Muse. They've got room to grow in the US, to match where they're at elsewhere, but there's definitely a ceiling there, and they're pretty much hitting it now. Again, the difference is probably with Arcade Fire, in terms of potential room to grow. Where they're at in a few years will be pretty interesting. Could be about the same. Could be much, MUCH bigger. Could very well be split up.

But all this baton talk is bullshit. And there's no point comparing bands to 360 era U2. The U2 we have now is the product and culmination of a 30 year career. Of course some decade old (or less) band isn't going to be suddenly able to bust out a 360 tour. The question would be, can any band reach a Joshua Tree through ZooTV era U2 type size and reach? That's certainly not impossible, but I don't think any of the names thrown around in here will do it.
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Coldplay...??

They are too busy ripping off other ppls music re: Joe Satriani and Cat Stevens. Pls!

Anyone that thinks Coldplay can take over from U2 clearly isn't washing the fruit before they eat it.
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For the life of me, I can't understand why they didn't put this stage in the CENTER of the field and rotate it or the players. Makes no sense to me.

The Claw itself...once you get past the size...it really isn't very interesting at all.

And lastly, the setlist in 2009 absolutely blew...but it's much improved now so i'm going to see it again tonight.

It's a decent show and it's made a ton of money, but for me this is U2's worst tour in ages. Moving back into stadiums was NOT an improvement for the fan experience, and the Claw itself is an overhyped gimmick.

Nothing to top here, in my opinion.
This is why I'd like to see them tour again with the CLAWs. I think they could make them even more interesting with things (video screens?) on each leg and something more on the top. The screen was fascinating and a techno marvel, but it could be removed to make way for something else (an elevated B-stage?) or some other sort of screen(s?).
And, put the Claw in the middle of the field. Make GA a 360 experience.

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This is why I'd like to see them tour again with the CLAWs. I think they could make them even more interesting with things (video screens?) on each leg and something more on the top. The screen was fascinating and a techno marvel, but it could be removed to make way for something else (an elevated B-stage?) or some other sort of screen(s?).
And, put the Claw in the middle of the field. Make GA a 360 experience.

They're already selling the Claws to permanent venues around the world, I guess as tourist destinations?

Personally I think the claw was enough for one tour. It wasn't used anywhere near it's potential and I'd rather see something fresh next tour.

Actually, I miss having some sort of backdrop- a screen or whatever and don't love the 360 thing. Feels like it sort of disperses the energy too much.

But, I will suspend negative thought and enjoy the hell out of the show tonight.
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But all this baton talk is bullshit. And there's no point comparing bands to 360 era U2. The U2 we have now is the product and culmination of a 30 year career. Of course some decade old (or less) band isn't going to be suddenly able to bust out a 360 tour. The question would be, can any band reach a Joshua Tree through ZooTV era U2 type size and reach? That's certainly not impossible, but I don't think any of the names thrown around in here will do it.
This is right on, but I'd go a bit further and add in the massive resurgence of the past 10 years as well.

Jeez, how many bands have a good 5 year run and are suddenly proclaimed bigger and better than U2?

It's like every few years you hear about the next Michael Jordan. Sure

This year it was LeBron James who is better than Jordan. GTFO.
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Proof the band arent even THINKING about calling it quite, Willie is now thinking about the NEXT tour:

"I’ve been decompressing a little and allowing myself to slow down a bit. Tours don’t end gradually, they just stop dead one day, so if at all possible it is helpful to reduce velocity before slamming into the brick wall. I had lunch with a colleague who specialises in LED technology and spent a while musing over future projects. Naturally, we’re already thinking about ‘next time round’ and the task is always to imagine not what’s possible now, but what might be possible in a couple of years’ time. There are larger questions about what kind of show U2 might want to do next, and whether another technology-based show would be at all appealing, but its always interesting to do the research. I’m very proud of the 360 show, not just the technology and architecture but also the breadth of what U2 have been able to perform over the past couple of years. The current show references every single U2 album, including Passengers and a movie soundtrack, which is pretty good going for a band with this much history. What they’ll do next is anybody’s guess at this juncture."
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