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PhDs are short here (3 years). In the US if you're a phd the swiftest you can be is 4 and 4, really. 8 years. Getting a phd in 6 years seems rather early. I sure as hell won't call someone doctor who is a year younger than me unless they've done more work than I have.

Haha, should I tell you that I finished my PhD when I was 26, then?

It wasn't actually conferred until I was 27 because of ridiculous institutional lag and we go by the date of conferral for official purposes - which is actually convenient, because in applying for jobs that are limited to candidates who are no more than x-years out from finishing their PhD, it gave me a whole nine months to publish stuff between finishing the PhD and the clock beginning to tick on that deadline. Most people don't quite get that big a gap but I cottoned on to the advantages and made no effort to speed up the institutional machinery.
 
Oh, and I do love how hung up Americans - and others - get on titles compared to Australia and New Zealand. So much of academic social media is full of shitty memes about "I didn't do all this work to be called mister!" I often get American exchange students calling me Professor Axver, which is hilarious since we follow Britain in having Professor as a very exclusive rank at the top of the food chain.

Personally, I find it really weird if my students call me anything other than André and immediately correct anybody who calls me Dr Axver. (I do quietly enjoy Prof. Axver though; I'll probably never achieve that rank, so let's bask in it for a second!) And I would never ever have called my PhD supervisor by anything but his first name. I get really confused when he's referred to by his rank and last name. "Who the hell is that? Oh yeah..."
 
Bachelor's degree: 3 years

Bachelor's degree with Honours: 4 years



Masters: 18 months, give or take depending upon whether it's by coursework or research and the disciplinary norms



PhD: 3 years (though the funding arrangements make it such that 3.5 years is more attractive for the average candidate)



In most institutions the PhD is by research only. A few now require some amount of coursework in the first year but have not made up for this by extending the candidature period. I was lucky - my university introduced coursework the very year after my PhD cohort. So all the people a year after me had to do more work but in the same amount of time.


So in the United States, every bachelors degree is 4 years. Masters are also 18 months. PhD has no set time though is not completable in less than 3.

In the US, most PhDs contain coursework to the equivalent of a master's degree. Having a masters degree beforehand allows you to bypass qualifying classes.
 
Also in the U.K. it is...

Bachelors (with or without an honors thesis): 3 years
Masters: 1 year
PhD: god knows

I've learned very quickly here that they don't ask you to work very hard, or a lot. It's kind of silly.

Haha, should I tell you that I finished my PhD when I was 26, then?

It wasn't actually conferred until I was 27 because of ridiculous institutional lag and we go by the date of conferral for official purposes - which is actually convenient, because in applying for jobs that are limited to candidates who are no more than x-years out from finishing their PhD, it gave me a whole nine months to publish stuff between finishing the PhD and the clock beginning to tick on that deadline. Most people don't quite get that big a gap but I cottoned on to the advantages and made no effort to speed up the institutional machinery.


I'm 24/almost 25. I was referring to someone 23 or 24 years old completing a PhD. 26 is right around a reasonable age... 26-30 is a typical academic path to PhD and I think that's fair. 8 to 12 years as an academic with a rigorous specialization. Much like a doctor or a dentist finishing their residency.
 
Oh, and I do love how hung up Americans - and others - get on titles compared to Australia and New Zealand. So much of academic social media is full of shitty memes about "I didn't do all this work to be called mister!" I often get American exchange students calling me Professor Axver, which is hilarious since we follow Britain in having Professor as a very exclusive rank at the top of the food chain.

Personally, I find it really weird if my students call me anything other than André and immediately correct anybody who calls me Dr Axver. (I do quietly enjoy Prof. Axver though; I'll probably never achieve that rank, so let's bask in it for a second!) And I would never ever have called my PhD supervisor by anything but his first name. I get really confused when he's referred to by his rank and last name. "Who the hell is that? Oh yeah..."


I'm not particularly hung up about a title. From my perspective I'm hung up about how much work I've done, hence why I wouldn't want someone else to have such a title if I felt they were under me. Call me whatever you want. Probably won't do PhD tbh. But I have two undergraduate degrees, two honors theses, a couple of publications, and hopefully soon a master's degree. If someone can get a PhD as they turn 24, I don't think they've worked hard enough. Because as it stands now, despite my accolades, I still think I as an individual am merely a competitive candidate for a PhD program. Not someone who should already have a PhD.

Of course I reserve exceptions for special cases. I'm just speaking in general.

In regards to the title "professor," that rank also holds true in the United States. There's a big difference between an instructor with a PhD and a professor. People here are just ignorant.
 
Flatmate interview tonight with someone I originally met on Tinder. Shit she was good. I'd have her in with the girls upstairs or downstairs if nobody else wants the room.

No sex involved, we just naturally chatted with each other (no!) and the other flatmates.
 
Also, Axver is actually your name. Everything I know is wrong...

Haha, no, alas it is not, I was just using it there in place of my actual last name, which I really don't like. I thought about changing it, but then I published under it and now the horse has bolted.
 
So in the United States, every bachelors degree is 4 years. Masters are also 18 months. PhD has no set time though is not completable in less than 3.

In the US, most PhDs contain coursework to the equivalent of a master's degree. Having a masters degree beforehand allows you to bypass qualifying classes.

For us, at the end of the 3 years of a regular Bachelors degree, you can apply to do an Honours year - and the entry requirements, honestly, are hilariously lax. Though in terms of how much work you have to do in the Honours year, purely on the basis of word count it is more work than any other individual year at undergrad or postgrad (in practice most people don't break up the postgrad thesis evenly year-by-year, but you get my point). When I did it you had to do five subjects, each with a substantial essay as the main/only form of assessment, plus a thesis researched across the entire year. In "my day" (2009) it was 12,000 but they've upped it to 15,000 now, which is for the best.

But writing 12-15,000 words does not at all prepare you for the 80-100,000 words of a PhD thesis. I was fine, because I love writing and had easily written that much in the past, but so many students get found out. This is why I think we need to revert to Masters being the common pathway (without entirely removing the possibility of going Hons --> PhD), since the experience of writing a 30-50,000 word thesis is invaluable. For those capable of extended writing but yet to gain the skills it will save them all the pain and delays they currently incur on the PhD, while others will discover this lark isn't for them in a course that's less stressful/high stakes as the PhD.

It won't change in a hurry here though because the system is structured to encourage PhD enrolments regardless of either 1). the suitability of the candidate or 2). their job prospects.

Sorry, I can really get going on this. I have Lots of Opinions about Australian higher ed.
 
Re: PhDs

Yes, the over saturation of PhDs in my field makes me nervous about getting the job and pay I want. NASA, for example, typically has PhDs across the damn board. But it's actually really hard to get those positions.
 
I have had my interest piqued in observing NZ secondary education but I feel like a Masters or further in education would be inappropriate without me getting field experience actually teaching.

After living in South Auckland and being introduced to teaching by a proud Maori, experienced teacher, I want to help further Pasifika (I hate that word) and Maori teaching. I don't care if I do it in the field, or in providing advice to improve it from a higher level - but I feel like it wouldn't be a real effort unless I actually did the job first, and saw and experienced what challenges are faced.

I mean national standards are stupid, decile levels are a dumb and insulting idea, university entrance standards are a bit rough, but I could write a fucking thesis on those already.
 
Re: PhDs

Yes, the over saturation of PhDs in my field makes me nervous about getting the job and pay I want. NASA, for example, typically has PhDs across the damn board. But it's actually really hard to get those positions.

The stats in Australia are really worrisome - there are about 8,500-10,000 PhDs graduated every year for approximately 2,000 academic jobs. This is across all disciplines. Obviously many are not studying postgrad to go into academia, so there is the question of industry demand as well, but especially in my discipline an academic job is the predominant ambition.

I'm bloodyminded and stubborn enough that I've given myself no option other than making this work. I deliberately have no Plan B.

But I certainly think we need to be training fewer PhDs than we are now, and that many of the programmes that currently offer PhD scholarships should switch to providing postdocs.
 
Pasifika (I hate that word)

How come?

And it's funny, my friend who came through an Education faculty before switching to History for his PhD is convinced most of the specialists there are complete idiots with a very simplistic grasp on primary and secondary education. I'm grateful higher education researchers usually come from more of a public policy tradition, and indeed that most people seem to end up in higher ed public policy quite by accident (myself included!).
 
Ugh I really have absolutely no desire to travel for Christmas, but Wednesday is fast approaching.

In fact I am entirely uninterested in Christmas full stop. I saw some article in Stuff about Nelson "forgetting" Christmas because of having only minimal decorations in the central city. Sounds pretty great to me. Almost everything about Christmas is awful.
 
How come?

And it's funny, my friend who came through an Education faculty before switching to History for his PhD is convinced most of the specialists there are complete idiots with a very simplistic grasp on primary and secondary education. I'm grateful higher education researchers usually come from more of a public policy tradition, and indeed that most people seem to end up in higher ed public policy quite by accident (myself included!).

It's a way of casting everyone from countries with totally different mindsets as one group. I mean, technically even I am part of that group, as are you.

I don't feel right going into any kind of role (or even just submitting subjective articles) without doing it myself. And as I've said before, if I can influence and improve one life? Fuck yeah I've done my job.
 
Ugh I really have absolutely no desire to travel for Christmas, but Wednesday is fast approaching.

In fact I am entirely uninterested in Christmas full stop. I saw some article in Stuff about Nelson "forgetting" Christmas because of having only minimal decorations in the central city. Sounds pretty great to me. Almost everything about Christmas is awful.

I put up my old Christmas tree in the flat because we were rather drunk. Overall? I find Christmas unpleasant as I've spent the last two by myself, and maybe this one as well.

So fuck it.
 
It's a way of casting everyone from countries with totally different mindsets as one group. I mean, technically even I am part of that group, as are you.

Pakeha casts people of quite different origins into one group too. Poms from southern England don't exactly call on an identical cultural heritage to Highland Scots. But I suppose that those encompassed by the terms Pakeha or Pasifika - or, in fact, Maori - have enough in common to share a broad, if not deep, identity.
 
I put up my old Christmas tree in the flat because we were rather drunk. Overall? I find Christmas unpleasant as I've spent the last two by myself, and maybe this one as well.

So fuck it.

I usually enjoy the food and drink, and presents are always welcome, but having to keep company with people who irritate me and the expectation to go through certain rituals as a sign I care for somebody is an unwelcome imposition. The need to travel irks me, especially when it is to somewhere I don't want to visit. And oh my god Christmas carols are the fucking worst.

I've become a total grinch and I don't even care.
 
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