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As far as I'm concerned the modern era begins with the fall of Byzantium in 1453.:sexywink:

But yes, the selective scowling and tut-tutting is so much after-the-fact nonsense. On those India enterpreneurs; the mid 19th century hard-edged Protestant imperialists were appalled at the earlier generation of East India Company hands, some of whom had converted to Islam and taken wives.

Actually our main debate is when the "early modern" period ends and the "modern" one begins. I think the usually understood delineation is around 1750. Moot point for me because I claim history begins in 1840 and ends in 1876, or if I'm more generous, 1788 to 1930. (Preceded by ancient history and succeeded by political science.) I say this with tongue in cheek, careful to avoid repeating it too often that I start arguing it seriously.

There is, perhaps, a parallel in terms of pioneers of contact with various indigenous peoples. You find an initial wave of Europeans who live among Maori/Aboriginals/whomever, then a much larger wave that denigrates both the indigenous people and those who took up residence and culture with them, though at least views the latter with some sort of patronising curiosity.
 
^Also, one of Poland's (among others) great tragedies was that the Catholic Church under Communism turned into a rearguard, revanchivist, entity. You can probably glean a lot of the character of the late John Paul II from that time.

I was thinking more of Solidarnosc, a trade union where demands included the likes of 'yes to socialism without distortions!' (of course lost amid the usual narrative) - only for a backwards, mustachioed walrus to lead it into Jeffrey Sachs' arms!

Of course, the political landscape has changed so much that these things feel like worlds away.
 
I was thinking more of Solidarnosc, a trade union where demands included the likes of 'yes to socialism without distortions!' (of course lost amid the usual narrative) - only for a backwards, mustachioed walrus to lead it into Jeffrey Sachs' arms!

Of course, the political landscape has changed so much that these things feel like worlds away.

That too. It's not an isolated phenomenon looking at that time around 1989-1994 or so.
 
There is, perhaps, a parallel in terms of pioneers of contact with various indigenous peoples. You find an initial wave of Europeans who live among Maori/Aboriginals/whomever, then a much larger wave that denigrates both the indigenous people and those who took up residence and culture with them, though at least views the latter with some sort of patronising curiosity.

Yeah, it's exactly like that. First contact (where even if the newcomer is on a stronger technological footing, which they may or may not be, they are numerically in a minority), later empire.
 
Oh god, I saw that Muse had put out a song. No matter what, I am certain Kieran's lyrics are accurate.

But OK, maybe I will subject myself to it.
 
1:30 into "New Kind of Kick": geez this is a waste of my time.
 
Well that was... a thing. Not much of a thing. Somehow still better than much of Drones.

Please quit, Muse.
 
Halloween songs shouldn't be a thing anyway, and having it by Muse just makes the concept worse.
 
That new Muse song was obviously taking the piss but ... it's hard to be convinced about it when your past two albums sounded like they were taking the piss as well.
 
That new Muse song was obviously taking the piss but ... it's hard to be convinced about it when your past two albums sounded like they were taking the piss as well.

I want to know what it's like to have this music out there in your name, and to stand on stage and perform it as if this is the peak of your creative and intellectual expression. I would be too embarrassed to ever show my face in public.
 
Origin of Symmetry remains one of my top fifty albums. Fucking great record. They did some very good stuff on Showbiz, Absolution, and non-album releases around that time too.

Since then they have been forgettable, disposable, or laughable by turns.
 
Oh shit, I think I've left my grocery shopping a bit late today. I knew we were in for howling winds (like, winds to actually impress the Wellingtonian in me) and rain, but I thought it wasn't due until dinnertime. But it sure sounds like it's incoming, unless my next door neighbour has bought a jet engine!
 
Oh shit, I think I've left my grocery shopping a bit late today. I knew we were in for howling winds (like, winds to actually impress the Wellingtonian in me) and rain, but I thought it wasn't due until dinnertime. But it sure sounds like it's incoming, unless my next door neighbour has bought a jet engine!

Always go sooner rather than later!
 
Origin of Symmetry remains one of my top fifty albums. Fucking great record. They did some very good stuff on Showbiz, Absolution, and non-album releases around that time too.

Since then they have been forgettable, disposable, or laughable by turns.

I've put on Black Holes & Revelations. Just to see if there really is a massive gulf between even that and Drones-era output.

Listening to Map of the Problematique, I would suggest that there is quite a bit of a gulf there.

I think I hated absolutely everything on Drones.
 
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