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Old 07-02-2015, 03:54 PM   #31
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I am pretty sure my top 10 will be the same as last time. I have not evolved.
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Old 07-02-2015, 03:55 PM   #32
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Isn't it "to the left"?
Probably... Its been 10 years since I watched it last...

it's all a conspiracy I tell you!!
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Old 07-02-2015, 04:06 PM   #33
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Will just attribute it to typical backwards Canadian behavio(u)r.
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I am pretty sure my top 10 will be the same as last time. I have not evolved.
You expect us to do research?
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Old 07-02-2015, 04:16 PM   #35
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No, not at all. Just saying, I have nothing to contribute here.
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Old 07-02-2015, 04:20 PM   #36
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I watched JFK when I was about 12. My mom saw me watching a 30th anniversary conspiracy special and said she'd go to Blockbuster and rent the movie for me. It was my number 1 for a long time. I sorta stopped believing the conspiracy presented once I downloaded the game JFK reloaded. It was controversial at the time. But through the simulation you realize the shots from the book depository were timed in the best possible spot and it was possible to get the wound pattern.

Then I saw the doc on Netlix called "JFK: The Smoking Gun" and I'm not going to spoil it, but I think it may hit the nail on the head no pun intended.

The movie is magnificent. Paints the history of time and players so well. The editing is top notch. The cast and script are fantastic. So many memorable scenes and conversations.

- Costner grilling Joe Pesci over his trip to go ice skating in Houston and Duck Hunting

- Donald Sutherland in DC

- The lunch meeting about Oswald (Gary Oldman's past)

- Tommy Lee Jones party with the Cubans (snake in the pants)

- Kevin Bacon's interview
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Old 07-02-2015, 07:23 PM   #37
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It amuses me that most of the people who defend the corrupt (i.e. Allan Dulles-influenced) official story handed down by the Warren Commission tend to talk about Oswald's ability to hit JFK from his position, and not much else about the surrounding events. They don't talk about the surprisingly reduced security detail, they don't talk about the hostility towards Kennedy from people in power, or Oswald's background. And pertaining to the shooting itself, the still legitimate point that his position made more sense as part of a crossfire.

The magic bullet theory is preposterous, but even bending over backwards to prove it doesn't dismiss all the bizarre things going on in Dallas that don't add up to a plan conceived and executed by one man.
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Absolutely not. I mean, we can all at least agree that if Oswald did it, he didn't act alone, right?

I mean, come on, the guy was shot during a prison transfer ffs.
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The only Oliver Stone movies I've seen are The Doors (garbage) and Wall Street (pretty good but not worth the hype). I own Platoon but haven't seen it. Really, really meh on Stone as a filmmaker, but maybe Platoon and JFK will turn that around.
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The only Oliver Stone movies I've seen are The Doors (garbage) and Wall Street (pretty good but not worth the hype). I own Platoon but haven't seen it. Really, really meh on Stone as a filmmaker, but maybe Platoon and JFK will turn that around.
I love Wall Street. Daryll Hannah and Sean Young were such terrible casting decisions though. I think JFK is his best. He said its his personal favorite.
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The only Oliver Stone movies I've seen are The Doors (garbage) and Wall Street (pretty good but not worth the hype). I own Platoon but haven't seen it. Really, really meh on Stone as a filmmaker, but maybe Platoon and JFK will turn that around.

A little premature of a judgment because of the films. Wall Street is extremely dated and The Doors captures the atmosphere of the time but not much else.

Platoon is obviously a very personal work, one of the few Vietnam War films made by someone who actually served, and I think brings you pretty close to his general anti-establisment worldview. From a cinematic perspective, I find Natural Born Killers to be essential. You may find that its gratuitous nature overwhelms Stone's satirical point, but it's high-wire, daring stuff. Talk Radio shows that he could do something smaller-scale and make it just as engrossing, it's one of my favorites of his.

Born On The Fourth Of July is another one that has a very positive consensus, and just for Cruise's performance alone it's worth seeing. But it's very good filmmaking regardless.

After that, you'll probably be on board for more (there aren't too many titles I'd recommend beyond those), or ready to throw in the towel.
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Figured Lemel would have seen Salvador, definitely add that to Laz' list.

Could not get on board with NBK. The excess of style just gave me a headache, despite how it ties into the themes. Also felt like I was being scolded for watching it, and Stone isn't exactly Haneke.
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Two movies I need to rent from Amazon Prime that have been on my watch list but never have seen. 'Empire of the Sun' and 'Papillon'
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Not to be all cliched and shit but Papilion the novel was so much more impactful than the film. I enjoyed the movie and all, but, yeah.
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Steve McQueen would have kicked your ass.
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