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Old 03-03-2009, 04:04 PM   #301
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I don't even know if it's that. It was basically a rant against a series of marginally related things that hardly addressed the film at all. With an underlying current of distain for Alan Moore as well. Really weird.
The New Yorker is to Watchmen as Pitchfork is to U2?
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not really 'hipster'

they consider themselves more highbrow

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“Watchmen,” like “V for Vendetta,” harbors ambitions of political satire, and, to be fair, it should meet the needs of any leering nineteen-year-old who believes that America is ruled by the military-industrial complex, and whose deepest fear—deeper even than that of meeting a woman who requests intelligent conversation—is that the Warren Commission may have been right all along.
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The New Yorker is to Cinema as Pitchfork is to U2?
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Old 03-03-2009, 04:10 PM   #304
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fixed.
What a fucking killjoy, this guy.
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Old 03-03-2009, 04:23 PM   #305
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His review of TDK

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on Heath's role, seems about right.

who is the typical reader of the New Yorker?
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No clue, I'm guessing the cast of Friends?

The critic for my local paper is an asshole, too, so maybe it's just a natural thing.
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"critics" Hah.
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Yes, it's there. The only 2 aspects that were changed about the ending were it not being the squid and Dan totally wailing on Ozy instead of mackin' on Laurie again.
Oh thank the maker.

But Dan beating up Ozy? That's weak because (a) he could never in a million years take him and (b) that's just cliche audience-pleasing bullshit.

And you LIKED that?
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From what I've read, Ozy seems to take the beating as a sort of penance.
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That's fucking weak, too. He knows he's right. It takes away from the character if you have him all repentant about it.
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I just read the graphic novel last year.

And I say

why fuck up the ending????!!!!!
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Oh thank the maker.

But Dan beating up Ozy? That's weak because (a) he could never in a million years take him and (b) that's just cliche audience-pleasing bullshit.

And you LIKED that?
I did. It enforces Ozy's thing about "feeling every innocent death," if I remember the line correctly. Like Lance said, it's a form of penance. And the part about Dan's "schoolboy heroism" not being able to do anything, too. He's still impotent, but at least he has the balls to care about something again, in this case, the death of his partner.

It played out like Batman beating the shit out of The Joker in the interrogation room of TDK, if anything.

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That's fucking weak, too. He knows he's right. It takes away from the character if you have him all repentant about it.
He repents by watching all of the footage of the devastation on all of those TVs in the novel as well. He still knows he's right, but he regrets that so many innocent people had to die, like I said above.
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Well he certainly feels bad about having to go to those lengths to achieve his goals, but I still think it fits better with him being a bit more stoic about it. He still looks down on Dan, Rorschach, The Comedian, and Laurie. Who are they to help process his guilt?
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Well he certainly feels bad about having to go to those lengths to achieve his goals, but I still think it fits better with him being a bit more stoic about it. He still looks down on Dan, Rorschach, The Comedian, and Laurie. Who are they to help process his guilt?
Maybe because they're so insignificant to him that it doesn't really matter? I'm unsure on what position to take at the moment.

When he speaks to Manhattan alone in his sanctum, I read it like he has some uncertainty... especially in his reaction to Manhattan's "nothing ends" line (I'm paraphrasing). That didn't make the film either, which disappointed me, but we get the point by that moment.
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I'm sure this is bound to be one of the lesser problems with the film. I'm not too worried about that little detail.
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