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Old 05-24-2011, 03:35 PM   #106
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Have either of you seen The Keep?
I made it about half an hour before turning off my tv in shame.
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Old 05-24-2011, 03:38 PM   #107
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It's not very good, but like Mann's other films, has a killer climax.
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I've always heard it was terrible, so despite my love of Michael Mann I've never watched it.

I dig Silence of the Lambs a lot, but Manhunter's tone is so gritty and creepy that it is the scariest of the Lecter films. I also far and away prefer Brian Cox's take on the character to Anthony Hopkins. He fits the role as the unnerving background character that the novel dictates, whereas Hopkins becomes far too much of the focus. Hopkins has a ton of screen presence and charisma but he's so ridiculous that you would never believe a real person could be like that, but you could believe someone could be like Cox, and his Lecter is so much scarier than Hopkins because of that.
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^^^ everything PH said.
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Old 05-24-2011, 10:53 PM   #110
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^^^ everything PH said.
Oh yeah? Never heard your take on that before.
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Old 05-25-2011, 01:56 PM   #111
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I've always heard it was terrible, so despite my love of Michael Mann I've never watched it.

I dig Silence of the Lambs a lot, but Manhunter's tone is so gritty and creepy that it is the scariest of the Lecter films. I also far and away prefer Brian Cox's take on the character to Anthony Hopkins. He fits the role as the unnerving background character that the novel dictates, whereas Hopkins becomes far too much of the focus. Hopkins has a ton of screen presence and charisma but he's so ridiculous that you would never believe a real person could be like that, but you could believe someone could be like Cox, and his Lecter is so much scarier than Hopkins because of that.
While I haven't seen Manhunter for a long time, I remember thinking that William Petersen's drab performance was the weak link and the main reason I liked Red Dragon better.
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News: US Trailer For John Carpenter's THE WARD

Looks like it could be good.
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While I haven't seen Manhunter for a long time, I remember thinking that William Petersen's drab performance was the weak link and the main reason I liked Red Dragon better.
To be fair, Red Dragon does have a killer cast, but everything that I said about MH still makes it superior for me, and while Petersen doesn't give an earth-shattering performance, I thought he was solid, and far better than most of what he's done in his career.
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Petersen isn't exactly electric, but he definitely gives you someone whose mind is clearly working overtime on the case. You can see the gears turning. I thought it was a unique perf for the thriller genre, and he fits Mann's moody visuals perfectly.

Tom Noonan is awesome, too.
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Agreed, Petersen suits the role perfectly, without being showy. Not that I wouldn't put Ed Norton in a time machine and put him in the original if I could.
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Red Dragon is a disaster and a perfect example of why having good names attached to a project doesn't ensure good casting.
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Not really. Too much Steadicam, not enough classic framing.

As expected.
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Too much Steadicam, not enough classic framing.
Possibly, but we'll see how the shots play out. The compositions and general aesthetic in the trailer still looked more interesting than anything he's done in a very long time (even in the trailer I at least see a lot of flat pans, and dolly-ins and outs), which isn't a particularly high standard of course. More importantly it looks like it could be a lot of fun, and I've read a bunch of good reactions to this already.
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I hope it'll be a fun ride, the repeated delays don't fill me with confidence though.
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To be fair, Red Dragon does have a killer cast, but everything that I said about MH still makes it superior for me, and while Petersen doesn't give an earth-shattering performance, I thought he was solid, and far better than most of what he's done in his career.
I need to give Manhunter another look. I just recall liking Norton's performance of Graham much, much better.
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