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Old 07-02-2011, 01:42 AM   #256
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No I'm telling you how the mainstream audience in the country perceives such films, nowhere have I said there aren't people who like them or that such filmmakers are incapable of making great films. I'm done with this, you can think what you like about what I'm saying or about what the realities are about animation-going demographics in this country, I've said my piece and again this is never what I was discussing.
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Old 07-02-2011, 01:48 AM   #257
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Yeah, basically. Anime is kind of a niche market over here, because a lot of it is stylized, both in terms of visual artwork and general form or tone. I feel a lot of Ghibli's non-domenstic (meaning, outside of Japan) appeal has to do with their film's somewhat fundamental cinematic language and means of communication. They aren't the only studio making anime that's decidedly not ANIME, so to speak, but certainly the most visible.
I agree with you, it isn't as hard to relate to or get into the way more out there or nerdy serial Japanese animation is, but there are conventions of design and motion that they still retain that turn Americans off in a way that Pixar or Disney's conventions don't. And I'm saying this from listening to what non-film buffs/non-Kotaku nerds have told me about such fare. I'm not debasing their achievements, simply saying that they do not have the potential acceptance here that they do in Japan, the same way no matter how revered or successful Pixar's movies are they won't top Ghibli's in Japan.
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Old 07-02-2011, 01:49 AM   #258
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Also, all I can say out of the Cars 2 ashes is, this gives Rango a real hance at winning the Oscar, and that's awesome.
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Old 07-02-2011, 01:51 AM   #259
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Powerhour, seriously, this is really bugging me. Just give me a straight answer to this question: Are you suggesting that all Japanese animation is a similar style and ALL Japanese animation is inaccessible in the United States?
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Old 07-02-2011, 01:56 AM   #260
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No. But I am saying that some of the characteristics of stereotypical Japanese animation exists in Miyazaki's work, that while the art design, and stories are far from typical, the look and feel is not 100% distinctive from that stereotype enough to attract the mainstream in the United States to giving it a try. That's all I'm saying, I'm not saying I dislike it, or that all these mainstream viewers would if they gave it a chance.
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Old 07-02-2011, 01:57 AM   #261
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Plus, while people like to say that subtitled movies just don't sell in the US, dubbed movies go over even worse.
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Dubbed animation is usually a completely different story, for what it's worth.
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Old 07-02-2011, 02:04 AM   #263
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Yeah that's true, it's a lot easier to handle syncing in animation.
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Syncing in anime is typically somewhat wonky even in its original language, and I find that unless a dub is especially poor, syncing issues are rarely too distracting. Which doesn't speak directly to the quality of the dub itself of course, but yeah. Disney especially at least handles Ghibli's dubs with great care.
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No. But I am saying that some of the characteristics of stereotypical Japanese animation exists in Miyazaki's work, that while the art design, and stories are far from typical, the look and feel is not 100% distinctive from that stereotype enough to attract the mainstream in the United States to giving it a try. That's all I'm saying, I'm not saying I dislike it, or that all these mainstream viewers would if they gave it a chance.
Ok, I get what you're saying. I disagree, but at least now I understand what you're trying to say and that'll do .

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Dubbed animation is usually a completely different story, for what it's worth.
I think it's just because of my semi-familiarity with Japanese culture/language that watching the dub of Ponyo killed me. I would've loved it other wise, Neeson and Betty White were some great casting decisions.
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Speaking of Pixar, I totally forgot about this rumor: New U2 Project: Pixar's Brave?
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Oh no, the Ponyo dub is nearly unlistenable. I know it has its fans, but compared to most of Disney's others I found it quite shoddy.
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No. But I am saying that some of the characteristics of stereotypical Japanese animation exists in Miyazaki's work, that while the art design, and stories are far from typical, the look and feel is not 100% distinctive from that stereotype enough to attract the mainstream in the United States to giving it a try. That's all I'm saying, I'm not saying I dislike it, or that all these mainstream viewers would if they gave it a chance.
And yet you are still failing to acknowledge that Disney does not give these films the same push and promotional attention (or theatre count) as their own product, so WE'LL NEVER KNOW how wide their appeal could be.
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