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Old 10-24-2010, 02:04 AM   #61
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Well, much of what you were saying was pretty evident in terms of art vs. entertainment; I get all that and understand the danger of passing broad generalizations on any type of film.

You did say that Woo's best work was as worthy of discussion as certain past and modern masters, and as someone who saw The Killer in the theatre when it came out (and subsequently spent a lot of time in college hunting down all of his work), I just don't see it. I don't even know if I'd accord him the same attention as his other hero Peckinpah.

FWIW, I think Bullet in the Head stands pretty tall over everything else, though it's not going to made it to my 10 of the 90's. And I think Woo-maniac Tarantino has far surpassed him.
Well, fair enough I suppose. I just thought your distinction between genre-filmmaking and "serious film" or however you phrased it was maybe more dismissive than you meant. Though I guess we do agree that at their finest, the two can be one and the same, ala John Ford and we're merely as an impasse of tastes when it comes to be particular examples. Woo, like Tsui Hark also on my list, paints masterly broad emotional and ideological strokes with a certain kineticism and elegance, in bravura style... I think he offers some of the most vital and alive pure cinema the medium offers. Bullet in the Head is a great one that I think showcases his heightened emotional filmmaking at its most extreme. Likewise Hard Boiled features his most evocative action filmmaking (the teahouse shoot-out might be the most beautiful and purely cinematic bit of action I've ever seen films). The Killer I think is almost an impossibly perfect balance of all his sensibilities, and his most aesthetically interesting on top of it. Probably the most flat-out fun as well, plus that exceptional dramatic ending. We obviously disagree here too, but I'll take the three Woo films I mentioned here along with A Better Tomorrow over every film Tarantino's made.
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Two of the films in a tie for your favorite film are...ranked #4 and #5 on your 80's list?




 
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Clown's probably one of those types to draw an arbitrary distinction between "great" and "favorite" films.
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1 On Approval, Ungero 82
2 Brideshead Revisited , Sturridge 81
3 Stand & Deliver, Menendez 88
4 The Shining, Kubrick 80
5 Indiana Jones & The Temple Of Doom, Spielberg 84
6 Moonstruck, Jewison 87
7 A Christmas Story, Clark 83
8 Pee-wee's Big Adventure, Burton 85
9 Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Hughes 86
10 Hairspray , Waters 88
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Clown's probably one of those types to draw an arbitrary distinction between "great" and "favorite" films.
I feel that it was important to factor in favorites and rewatchability, but at the same time, have an awareness of what I would consider objectively more impressive filmmaking and storytelling. The way that I would assemble a straight-up favorites list and a Top Films list are two different processes for me, so that's how you find the Empire/Raiders twofer in the midsection of the '80s list. I'm not of the mindset that "high art" trumps genre-filmmaking by any stretch, I try to take whatever I watch on its own terms and critique it appropriately.
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I can roll with that. Empire would certainly be among my "favorite" 80's films but didn't crack my list, while something I included like Tarkovsky's Nostalghia is something I am more awed by than feeling a compulsion to view it repeatedly.

With Allen's Stardust Memories, I think it's Allen's greatest visual achievement, but at the same time it's funny enough that I can view it frequently for pleasure. Reds and the Leone are both very long films but from scene-to-scene are so entertaining that neither is a slog. Same with The Right Stuff.
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I can't make it clear enough how much I love The Right Stuff. From start to finish, just love it.
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Sam Shepard as Chuck Yeager is just one of the greatest cinema badasses ever.

BUBBLE GUM.
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Awesome. Manhattan is the only Woody film I prefer visually over Stardust Memories, though not by much.

With the '80s especially, I feel like I'm scratching at the surface of the great cinema after having a fairly stronghold on American popular entertainment, which is another reason why a Top 10 would be fairly wonky. Hell, it's a throughline for all of these lists that my foreign viewing needs to be bolstered. Seeing it in list form only makes it more apparent.
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What was the brand, Beemans or something?

And, yes, badass all-around.
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Awesome. Manhattan is the only Woody film I prefer visually over Stardust Memories, though not by much.
Manhattan is exquisitely photographed by Willis as well, but what puts SM over the top for me is the opening 8 1/2 parody and that fantastic jump-cut scene with Charlotte Rampling in the mental institution. You don't often see Woody outside of his comfort zone like that.

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Manhattan is exquisitely photographed by Willis as well, but what puts SM over the top for me is the opening 8 1/2 parody and that fantastic jump-cut scene with Charlotte Rampling in the mental institution. You don't often see Woody outside of his comfort zone like that.
The only other example I can think in that regard of is Husbands and Wives. That shit is raw.
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1. The Empire Strikes Back - Kershner - 80
2. Raiders of the Lost Ark - Spielberg - 81
3. The Little Mermaid - Clements/Musker - 89
4. The Shining - THE BRICK! - 80
5. Caddyshack - Ramis - 81
6. For Your Eyes Only - Glen - 81
7. Raging Bull - Scorsese - 80
8. Aliens - Cameron - 86
9. My Dinner With Andre - Malle - 81
10. Die Hard - McTiernan - 88

As always with my lists, they burn with nostalgia. I have Aliens and Die Hard (two movies that I can't watch anymore, because I've seen them too many times) on here purely because of how much I loved them when I was younger.

Empire is probably the coolest movie ever. Raiders is still as fun as any movie I've ever seen.

Mermaid is the shit, wonderful songs, hot babe lead character, and I can't wait to have Beauty and the Beast #1 on my 90s list.

I can't believe I've still never seen Blade Runner.
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Blade Runner is fucking hilarious, fucking beautiful, and fucking fascinating. What a riot, that movie.
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Of all the cuts out there, which one is the most essential?
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Blade Runner is fucking hilarious, fucking beautiful, and fucking fascinating. What a riot, that movie.
I enjoy your insights into films very much so would you mind elaborating on that a bit, please?
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