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I flagrantly stole some DVD/Blu Ray comparison images from this site:

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Sweeeeeeet.

In the set they apparently explain specifically that there was too much junk/set edge/cables on the edge of the screen to make a 16:9 transition worthwhile. Once they figure out decent plots in a season or two I wonder if I might start picking these up.
 
Some fools were talking about Star Trek Into Darkness in another thread, so I had to bump this sucker just to keep people straight

STID teaser: generic? Somewhat. But I love me some Benedict Cumberbatch and his voiceover sells me on it. Dammnnnnnn.
 
I fail to see the Dark Knight comparison, which is getting really tiresome. (Now the poster is a blatant rip off of The Dark Knight Rises but that's a whole different story) Is it darker than the initial installment? Sure, but almost all series go that route. Did people accuse TDK of ripping off of Empire Strikes Back? No. From the teaser we can tell that the film revolves around a villain who has some personal vendetta with Starfleet, or at least with one of our main characters, The Dark Knight is driven by a villain who has no motivation he's just an anarchist without a background.
 
I fail to see the Dark Knight comparison, which is getting really tiresome. (Now the poster is a blatant rip off of The Dark Knight Rises but that's a whole different story) Is it darker than the initial installment? Sure, but almost all series go that route. Did people accuse TDK of ripping off of Empire Strikes Back? No. From the teaser we can tell that the film revolves around a villain who has some personal vendetta with Starfleet, or at least with one of our main characters, The Dark Knight is driven by a villain who has no motivation he's just an anarchist without a background.

It's tiresome because Hollywood is that way. When the Dark Knight came out and did so well executives were trying to find a way to make Superman darker to earn more money. Inception had lots of influences from other films so I'm not saying that TDK or any movie doesn't have influences as well. Anything that is successful will be copied. Of course they won't copy everything but they will copy the tone. It may work out okay but I'm sure it won't in all movies.

You'll even see competing scripts that duel with each other from different studios so they can hedge their bets. "Hey so and so studio is creating a movie about this theme. Maybe we should bring out that script that's similar and develop that?"

Have you ever seen a horror movie be successful and then they wear it into the ground with torture-porn sequels and look-a-likes? It's called audience pandering. Audiences sometimes make these sequels lots of money even if they're bad. It does well simply because it taps into what general audiences think they want until they stop buying tickets (AKA tired).

Look at the Iron Man 3 trailer. Look at Skyfall. These may be good movies but at some point they'll run it into the ground until audiences are tired of the trend and there's another success they can imitate.
 
Even movie trailers copy the Inception style music "DNNN!, DNNN!, DNNN!"

Star Trek Into Darkness - Official Teaser (HD) - YouTube

SKYFALL - Official Teaser Trailer - YouTube

It's like studios think "What would Christopher Nolan do?"​

Inception - Sound from Trailer - "BWONG!" - YouTube

Marc Forster on Quantum with Nolan on the brain:

Director Marc Forster on the new James Bond 007 film 'Quantum of Solace' - Time Out London - Time Out London

Again, talk turns to time – and the lack of it. ‘I wish we would have more time to craft the film properly,’ he regrets. ‘For instance, with “The Dark Knight” Christopher Nolan had a year to cut his movie, to work on the visual effects, to reflect. I don’t have that time and so compromises have to be made.’

Ironically it might take Nolan to actually make Man of Steel distinct from The Dark Knight 0:37.

Christopher Nolan Talks 'Man of Steel' & 'Justice League' - YouTube
 
It's tiresome because Hollywood is that way. When the Dark Knight came out and did so well executives were trying to find a way to make Superman darker to earn more money. Inception had lots of influences from other films so I'm not saying that TDK or any movie doesn't have influences as well. Anything that is successful will be copied. Of course they won't copy everything but they will copy the tone. It may work out okay but I'm sure it won't in all movies.

You'll even see competing scripts that duel with each other from different studios so they can hedge their bets. "Hey so and so studio is creating a movie about this theme. Maybe we should bring out that script that's similar and develop that?"

Have you ever seen a horror movie be successful and then they wear it into the ground with torture-porn sequels and look-a-likes? It's called audience pandering. Audiences sometimes make these sequels lots of money even if they're bad. It does well simply because it taps into what general audiences think they want until they stop buying tickets (AKA tired).

Look at the Iron Man 3 trailer. Look at Skyfall. These may be good movies but at some point they'll run it into the ground until audiences are tired of the trend and there's another success they can imitate.


Did I deny that movies are influenced by successful films including Nolan's? Not at all, go back & see all the comparisons to Nolan I pointed out opening weekend of Skyfall.

What I said was that it's silly to ascribe so much to him in so many instances where the comparison being made is inappropriate because it's to something generic. We haven't even seen more than mere seconds of Iron Man 3 or Into Darkness and already the Nolan comparisons are being trot out & why? Because it pushes the hero to extremes by being tested by harsher threats than they have before? That is how sagas have evolved for ages, it's not being done because Nolan did it. Abrams' first Star Trek film is rather cheery for coming out when it did considering TDK, the Bourne movies, etc. were at the top of the zeitgeist. He'll do his own thing, and if it goes darker it's because that's a natural progression.
 
And yeah I'm perfectly aware of the Inception sound effect abounding in trailers, that's a marketer's trend though.

Also, from what we've seen of Man of Steel it's ghost-directed by Nolan having the pretension to think he's Terrence Malick and that that's appropriate for blockbuster filmmaking, and that dour is appropriate for Superman, when people complained enough when Bryan Singer made Supes melancholy.
 
Did I deny that movies are influenced by successful films including Nolan's? Not at all, go back & see all the comparisons to Nolan I pointed out opening weekend of Skyfall.

What I said was that it's silly to ascribe so much to him in so many instances where the comparison being made is inappropriate because it's to something generic. We haven't even seen more than mere seconds of Iron Man 3 or Into Darkness and already the Nolan comparisons are being trot out & why? Because it pushes the hero to extremes by being tested by harsher threats than they have before? That is how sagas have evolved for ages, it's not being done because Nolan did it. Abrams' first Star Trek film is rather cheery for coming out when it did considering TDK, the Bourne movies, etc. were at the top of the zeitgeist. He'll do his own thing, and if it goes darker it's because that's a natural progression.

We have to wait and see how the movies actually hold up but the marketing is sending that vibe full of pandering. That's why people are talking about it so much. Otherwise they wouldn't.
 
Once again, outside of the poster, what influence/rip off of The Dark Knight have we seen?
 
I think maybe it's the whole semi-apocalyptic look. Seems like every other blockbuster film can't be satisfied with "action-packed" anymore. Now they have to throw everything and the kitchen sink at the audience. Hoardes of people die, everything in sight is destroyed, major characters die, etc etc. These filmmakers need to calm the hell down.
 
Well if anything that'd be more in line with Roland Emmerich & Michael Bay. I still don't doubt Abrams ability to turn in something more original than a minute long action tease suggests.
 
Wrath of Khan is now(?) on Netflix, so I sat down tonight and watched it. One thing that struck me: Khan arms the Genesis Device on the Reliant ~90 minutes into the movie. Something to keep in mind the next time I sit down for a 2.5-3 hour bloated epic.
 
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STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - International Trailer (HD) - YouTube

I'd like to tell myself I'm a Star Trek fan that has no problem criticizing the problems of the original serieses; but seeing this most recent stuff I'm not getting a "Star Trek" spiritual vibe here from Abrams. That "fit through a tight gap" bit feels like Abrams thought of it as the best chance he'd have to do a Star Wars tribute.

I'm betting that Cumberbatch does the now-expected villain move and allow himself to be captured as Part Of The Plan.
 
That poster totally looks like a generic action movie, I'd have no idea it was Star Trek if it didn't say so in the title.

But I guess they don't want to market this movie as Star Trek internationally, since the franchise has never really been as big a deal outside of the US.
 
I don't see the big deal. I watched Star Trek: The Next Generation when I was growing up and it was certainly my first foray into science fiction. I just don't think this generation of teenage boys appreciates science fiction in the same way. To them, Transformers was a great science fiction movie about a cartoon they may or may not have watched on reruns. I watched it and I felt like the five-year-old inside me was crying into his cereal.

Generally speaking, the last Star Trek was great. It had enough references to the original movie and still kept it fresh for the new audiences. It was a good balance. This one looks slightly more Earth-based. While that does irk me, I have faith that it will have that good balance to it again. I can agree with the poster who said that now audiences expect mass destruction. If the original Die Hard were released today, it would not do as well with the teenage boy audience they always pander to with movies like Transformers and the new Die Hards. (All he does is walk on glass? Big deal. He killed a helicopter with a car in the fourth one!) There's also something to say about the availability of CGI. Twenty years ago, Jurassic Park was a majestic feat. We get aliens with intricate facial expressions now (Avatar). The next step is probably going to be ridiculous. :wink:

Anyway, I got long-winded again. I look forward to this movie and I'll reserve judgement until I finally see it. Watch this space...
 
I'm super excited no matter whether it's earth-based or not. I thought the last one was really great. Even if this one isn't quite as good, I think it'll still be fun for sure.
 
...seeing this most recent stuff I'm not getting a "Star Trek" spiritual vibe here from Abrams. That "fit through a tight gap" bit feels like Abrams thought of it as the best chance he'd have to do a Star Wars tribute.

Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof wrote the story/script. I imagine there was some input from Abrams, but my feeling for the way these guys work together is that Abrams has little to do with this story.

And things often go better that way for them when this is the case.
 
I have to say, from what I've seen so far I'm rather hoping that the movie is better than its promotional material. I loved the 2009 reboot and frankly so far it doesn't feel like this one is even set in the same world. Plus the shortage of Spock in the promo material concerns me, it looks like the movie is much more Kirk-centric. And while Benedict Cumberbatch is awesome and is sure to make a much better villain than Eric Bana, another story about a villain with revenge agenda sounds rather lazy.
 
The best two Star Trek movies have a villain with a revenge agenda. I'll have more of that and be happy about it.
 
That poster totally looks like a generic action movie, I'd have no idea it was Star Trek if it didn't say so in the title.

But I guess they don't want to market this movie as Star Trek internationally, since the franchise has never really been as big a deal outside of the US.


All of this.

I'll see this. But I'm not very excited about it.
 
That poster totally looks like a generic action movie, I'd have no idea it was Star Trek if it didn't say so in the title.

believe me this has been 'market tested' to death

and as some one that was a kid in the late 60s, I do remember sitting around the 'color' t v set on Thursday? nights to watch Nimoy and Shatner.
We thought the sets and effects were fantastic. For the time they were good.

The last movie was very good. Using Nimoy worked well.

I just want another decent movie. I'm not even sure what the real Star Trek is anymore with all the spin offs and reincarnations.
 
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