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Old 06-16-2011, 11:25 AM   #91
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Well, I like Linden and Holder, so hopefully they can put something credible together.
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Fuck The Killing
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What a big pile of meh.
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I didn't watch last night, only watched the GoT finale.....without spoilering things....was it that bad?????
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I think Laz's three words sums it up.
I'll add two myself: turd sandwich.
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Old 06-20-2011, 05:50 PM   #96
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Actually, it didn't really bother me until the end. I liked Linden putting herself in Rosie's shoes and figuring out what happened in the forest. But that final scene was fuckin' ridi-ka-lus.

 
The way they sold out Holder's character is inexcusable.
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I'ma watch shortly....but I'm saddened to read this.
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Actually, it didn't really bother me until the end. I liked Linden putting herself in Rosie's shoes and figuring out what happened in the forest. But that final scene was fuckin' ridi-ka-lus.
Sort of a one-two punch for me with some additional baggage.
Overall, I thought the series had been quite good up until most recently.

 
The overall Richmond as the killer arc, even if he ulitimately isn't the killer which is an issue I could get into all by itself. It's just...problem riddled. I like the idea of moving away from it but also hate the idea that they are going to continue this beyond season 1, which again - is probably worth its own discussion. I was mistakenly under the impression that this might resemble something like an anthology series of some kind - or perhaps even if using the same characters. (using season long mysteries).

But yeah the thing with Holder - I can't believe they did that. It's the second consecutive episode where they went for a WTF twist that simply doesn't connect on any other way but 'shock value', in terms of how they've taken character development to an unbelievable place. That's soap opera level BS.

But I am right with you when you say (imply) that it was passable up to that point. Although I thought the Richmond thing was either too obvious or lazy or...something of the sort, it at least did make sense on that same obvious level. Whereas the Holder thing was idiotic...and there is a lot more here that I could dig into but I am not sure it's worth the bother at the moment.

Mostly I am just greatly disappointed. Such potential.

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Bitchslapped by Bill Simmons:

Bill Simmons on The Killing - Grantland
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:02 PM   #100
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Commenting on the Bill Simmons thing below (great article):

 
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There's a great scene in the final show when he runs into the pregnant wife of Rosie's teacher — someone he had beaten into a coma a few episodes earlier, only she didn't know it was him, you know, because when someone beats your husband into a coma and gets arrested for it, and it turns out to be the grieving father of the biggest murder case your city has seen in a couple of years, you definitely won't ever want to know what this person looks like — and as they're making small talk...
This was part of the further discussion I was apathetic about getting into. Simmons nailed it. Also...how fucking dumb are we supposed to believe Holder is? it's one thing to outright betray a likable character playing against supposed 'type' (if you catch my drift) and it's another thing to make the certain actions unbelievable in that the character would have to be much much more dumber than ever displayed to do that. If anything, Holder only possessed that kind of 'street-smart'. Like he wouldn't realize that his little stunt would be easily and quickly found out/falsified by Linden? Amateur hour.

Although I don't know if I share the same level of vitriol that Simmons has for it. Probably because I am none too surprised by what transpired to be so angry. Just disappointed.
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If only Simmons knew how to write. The best thing about Grantland are some of the articles mocking it. Fucking hack.

That being said, he's not wrong here. What a major, major disappointment. On many levels. I'm actually shocked at how horridly this ended.
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Gee, who saw that response coming?
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Simmons is my Wilco. Or Spielberg. Or Coldplay.

Etc.
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The ONLY reason I started watching the show was because I thought that it would be a nice, tight 13 episode series chronically a "killing."
(a la so many other good, UK/European shows)

Now, I'm sucked into next season for at least the first episode to see if there is anything salvageable with Holder. I feel punked.

So, if it wasn't renewed would we have just had a killer in Ep. 13?

(Sorry if this should be spoilered, but who the fuck cares at this point? Really disappointing.)
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:19 AM   #105
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You're right, the show's creator probably had multiple plans depending on whether or not it was renewed. I'm guessing an ending with Richmond actually being the murderer was filmed. By continuing to watch, we helped the ratings and thereby guaranteed a new season.

We only have ourselves to blame.



Actually, not me. I dl'ed all the episodes.
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