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Old 08-11-2008, 09:36 PM   #871
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I'm an ordinary citizen. I wouldn't blow up a boat loaded with criminals in that situation. I would've jumped off the fucking boat.
But The Joker said in his loudspeaker announcement that if anyone tried to get off the boat, he'd blow it up anyway. So by trying to save yourself, you'd be killing everyone else.
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:36 PM   #872
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I don't think he cares.
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:37 PM   #873
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But The Joker said in his loudspeaker announcement that if anyone tried to get off the boat, he'd blow it up anyway. So by trying to save yourself, you'd be killing everyone else.
We call that a 'conundrum'.
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:37 PM   #874
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They never pat on the back. Never.
I hear laz sometimes gives a reach around though.
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:39 PM   #875
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I hear laz sometimes gives a reach around though.
Oh, that's just what you've "heard", I see.
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Oh, that's just what you've "heard", I see.
I see what you're trying to do there and it doesn't make any sense. Let's be honest for a moment, if this relationship was going to happen Laz would be my bitch.
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I see what you're trying to do there and it doesn't make any sense. Let's be honest for a moment, if this relationship was going to happen Laz would be my bitch.
Really?

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I see what you're trying to do there and it doesn't make any sense. Let's be honest for a moment, if this relationship was going to happen Laz would be my bitch.
You'd grab him by the handlebar mustache and not let go.

Then Zoots would throw GAF and a horse, apparently.
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You'd grab him by the handlebar mustache and not let go.

Then Zoots would throw GAF and a horse, apparently.
Zoots + Mad1 = balance
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You'd grab him by the handlebar mustache and not let go.

Then Zoots would throw GAF and a horse, apparently.
Exactly. They look like reigns to me.
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Zoots + Mad1 = balance
They complete each other.
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Really?

You know what makes me laugh the MOST about this picture? That fuckin' red star over his shoulder that looks like a comic thought bubble. AND ITS EMPTY.
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Bad: The death was a shock, but as was the case with Batman Begins, Rachel Dawes is the weakest link. A tad long last half hour - and my main issue was with Two Face's actions. (he looked dead but they may spin it somehow if they plan a trilogy)
Fine, payback for the cops that went to Rachel's (yet let one live?) and okay, you're pissed of at Batman because he saved you instead of Rachel but why Gordon ? It's not his fault corrupted cops worked with Joker. Speaking of which, he had to have figured out Joker orkestrated that whole thing yet he doesn't take him out in hospital.
Lastly, the film could do with a little (a tad of the sequelitis) less of bigger is better attitude in terms of action scenes.

My question after the movie was: in keeping with the theme of duality of good/evil and the thin line between the two in dire circumstances, why not reveal Two Face and Joker's work behind him and keep Batman, the only real protection, the hero ?
First of all, Two-Face is batshit (pardon the pun) crazy. As he states in the film, the only fair thing in this indecent world is chance. So he lets the coin decide the fate of his victims. The coin spared the Joker and Ramirez, Wurtz wasn´t as lucky. He blamed Gordon because he let the suspicious and very possibly corrupt cops (Dent warns Gordon that Wurtz and Ramirez are "scum" early in the film) to work close with him and thus indirectly being responsible for Rachel. Two-Face knew all the time Joker orchestrated the whole thing, but he wants the people who let the mad dog loose (and that includes Batman as well).

The one thing that bothers me, although the scene was pretty badass, is the way he deals with Maroni. The coin decides that Maroni should live, but then he takes out the limo driver (who had nothing to do with him), thusly giving himself a second chance to eliminate Maroni. That time he wasn´t a slave to his coin, which is the essence of Two-Face´s character.

Batman was a nemesis to Gotham long before Two-Face´s death. He would never be recognized as a hero, unlike Harvey Dent, who was Gotham´s favorite. That´s why Batman decides he should take the fall for Dent, making him the hero and giving hope to Gotham. Morally it isn´t the perfect choice to lie to the people - but everybody is far from perfect in this film.

Writing about it makes me wonder how much subtext can be found in the film. It really stands out from all other superhero movies.
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But The Joker said in his loudspeaker announcement that if anyone tried to get off the boat, he'd blow it up anyway. So by trying to save yourself, you'd be killing everyone else.
That's how I roll.
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I hear laz sometimes gives a reach around though.
You wouldn't even get a shoulder squeeze.
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