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Old 07-26-2008, 04:57 PM   #451
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I figured that the pencil was slammed into the dude. Wherever you like--eyeball, mouth, forehead---all the same. Didn't think that it could've gone into the table.


Lance, just for reference, what movie in the last 10 years would you describe as having its action shots filmed well? I feel like ever since Gladiator, it's almost become standard practice to film action shots in a dizzying blur. I'm sure I must've seen one or two films in the last decade with well-done action scenes, but none really stand out enough for me to bring them to mind at the moment.
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Old 07-26-2008, 05:26 PM   #452
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The Matrix had some badass action scenes. I like a lot of the sequences in the recent Star Wars and Lord of the Rings trilogies. I even think Tarantino showed some good action chops in the Kill Bill movies.

I just woke up though, I could probably think of some more.

I'm sure Lance could, too, and he was the one that the question was directed to so...nevermind...
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Old 07-26-2008, 05:37 PM   #453
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I'll mention Spiderman 2 again, since I think even its detractors will be able to acknowledge it's fantastic action sequences. Notable the train sequence, which really did some fantastic things with perspective, long takes, stellar virtual and traditional camera work, and really just captured some beautiful choreography and nailed it with near perfect editing giving it a really thrilling rhythm which I always mention here, but I really think it's the key to any great action scene. I like to equate action in film to live dance. It needs to be interesting, pleasing to look at, and most importantly it needs a good rhythm, since rhythm is inherently tied into movement, which is then the fundamental basis of dance or action, all about movement.

Likewise, The Matrix: Reloaded is my favorite action film of the 2000's thus far, at least in terms of just the action and film work. Hate it as much as many people do, it's hard to deny the craftsmanship of the action scenes. The freeway chase hits the nail on the head in much the same way as the aforementioned train sequence from Spiderman. It nails the spectacle, it's beautifully shot, it's surprising and strung together with fantastic editing. Likewise, the fight sequences in the Mansion of the Merovingian is a gorgeous wuxia-comic-book action showcase as solid as anything to come out this decade.

I'll also quote Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, not as an action film (it's not) but as a sort of bridge between the two sides of my dance-action analogy. It's another take on wuxia martial arts fighting, but really experiments with the elegant beauty of dance, drawing a fairly substantial and obvious parallel between the two.

The Bourne films obviously as well have set new standards for action combat in cinema. Sure it's made a big deal out of shakey cam, but it's still used magnificently. It makes it intimate, chaotic, tense, but it's all still filmed so that you can follow the choreography of the fight or chase or whatever it is, and still maintains that necessary rhythm. And the scenes in the last two Batman films try to emulate the same chaotic feeling as the Bourne films, only it lacks the rhythm and none of them are really shot carefully enough to follow the show, if there even is much choreography in those scenes.
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The Matrix had some badass action scenes. I like a lot of the sequences in the recent Star Wars and Lord of the Rings trilogies. I even think Tarantino showed some good action chops in the Kill Bill movies.

I just woke up though, I could probably think of some more.

I'm sure Lance could, too, and he was the one that the question was directed to so...nevermind...
Good call with Star Wars and Kill Bill. Kill Bill is just a fucking fantastic perfect riff on everything Tarantino loves about wuxia, Westerns, old school action revenge films, and he really nailed the action too.

And the lightsaber battles in the prequel trilogy are most gorgeous. Not to mention the opening space battle in Revenge of the Sith being one of my favorite parts of the entire Star Wars franchise.
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I love the action sequences in Casino Royale, Sin City, and to a lesser extent Minority Report.

Saving Private Ryan fits within the 10-year umbrella, right?
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I was thinking that and yeah I guess it does.

You have to throw SPR in there, too. No doubt.
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While I wouldn't classify it as an "action film" per say, Black Hawk Down certainly needs to be mentioned .
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Ronin had some great action sequences....car chases, mostly.

Lance and I are in agreement re: the 2nd Matrix. I love the action sequences in that film.

Lance, glad you liked TDK despite the flaws that jumped at you.

Regarding Dent yelling about the joker choosing him.....Dent did not mean it as it pertained to choosing between Rachel and himself.....he meant that the joker chose him over batman and gordon to ruin.
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However, why the fuck does everyone play out the rest of the film acting like that was who Batman intended to save all along? In the final scene Batman even tells Harvey how he saved him because he was the true hero, blah blah blah, and Gordon says he tried to save Rachel, he's sorry and all that.
Wait wait! I have the answer!

Or maybe not. You decide.

But here's what I thought.

I just saw Batman Begins last night, and then Dark Knight today. In Batman Begins, there is a scene where Batman saves Rachel over a bunch of other people. I forget which scene. He gets a lecture from Albert about how if he's going to save the world he has to be bigger than the personal. So even though everyone is saying the Joker switched the addresses, I thought Batman changed his mind on the way and went for Dent because Dent represented hope for Gotham and was "more important" in the bigger scheme of things.

I totally missed the part about Gordon trying to save Rachel. I thought they all showed up to save Dent. I can see why people are seeing this thing more than once.
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I think there is enough evidence here to suggest that even if all the threads do align somehow in the third act, there's still some sloppy scripting going on.
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I figured that the pencil was slammed into the dude. Wherever you like--eyeball, mouth, forehead---all the same. Didn't think that it could've gone into the table.
Agreed. Going into the table never occurred to me for a second.
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Batman did not change his mind....he thought he was on his way to save Rachel.

Gordon asks him who he's going after, he says "Rachel", then Gordon gives what they assumed was Dent's address to his cops....

Who will save you, Lance?
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Batman did not change his mind....he thought he was on his way to save Rachel.
So poor Batman never rose above the personal. Too bad. He'll never be a true superhero.

My biggest complaint about both movies is that the Batman voice is just dumb. There, I said it.
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I understand what happened with the addresses being mixed up. I still don't understand why Batman and Gordon act like they both ended up at the right places the whole time. At least that's what it seemed like where both my and my friend were sitting last night. Maybe I just need to see it again, but I shouldn't have to watch a movie a second time to sort out exactly how the whole third act is written.
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So poor Batman never rose above the personal. Too bad. He'll never be a true superhero.

My biggest complaint about both movies is that the Batman voice is just dumb. There, I said it.


Superman's the guy that started flying around Earth to get it to spin backwards, so it would move back in time, so he could save Lois.

There are a lot of things wrong with that.
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