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Old 12-03-2008, 11:51 AM   #31
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The Dark Knight is also perfectly cast
Well, apart from Maggie Gyllenhaal...

I'd like to see this YouTube - Tribute Gran Torino Music Written by Clint Eastwood, Jamie cullum, Kyle Eastwood and Michael Stevens nominated for best original song just so I can see Clint sing at the ceremony. That would be so fucked-up it has to happen.
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Old 12-03-2008, 02:19 PM   #32
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You know what needs to win Best Song?

"Little Person" from Synecdoche, New York. Hell, everything from that movie needs to win.
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Old 12-04-2008, 05:36 PM   #33
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National Board awards came out:

National Board of Review announces 2008 winners

I usually dig their Top 10s, but their Eastwood and Coens love is way too apparent. Haven't seen the two Clint flicks, but they've gotten tepid responses so far, as far as I can tell, and Burn was good, but not anything spectacular.
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Yeah, Clint made two of the year's 11 best films.

Whatever.
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National Board awards came out:

National Board of Review announces 2008 winners

I usually dig their Top 10s, but their Eastwood and Coens love is way too apparent. .
The list looks good to me.

I have not seen Rachel, Slumdog, Milk or Torino yet.

The Changeling is very good, as is Jolie.


Where did the Coens get much of anything?


Dark Knight made top ten
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Old 12-04-2008, 07:43 PM   #36
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The list looks good to me.

I have not seen Rachel, Slumdog, Milk or Torino yet.

The Changeling is very good, as is Jolie.


Where did the Coens get much of anything?


Dark Knight made top ten
Burn got into the Top 10, which I don't agree with, even if I am a Coens fan and moderately enjoy the movie.
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Yeah, this wasn't a great year, but I'd have a hard time arguing the case for that one being that close to the top. Nothing bad about it (and better than Intolerable Cruelty and The Ladykillers), but not very memorable either.

I just can't believe Clint was singled out in a year that has some amazing performances, and some that I haven't seen yet that LOOK more amazing. No way his "Get off my lawn!" schtick is better than DiCaprio, Del Toro, Penn, Brolin, Rourke, Langella, etc.
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Yeah, this wasn't a great year, but I'd have a hard time arguing the case for that one being that close to the top. Nothing bad about it (and better than Intolerable Cruelty and The Ladykillers), but not very memorable either.

I just can't believe Clint was singled out in a year that has some amazing performances, and some that I haven't seen yet that LOOK more amazing. No way his "Get off my lawn!" schtick is better than DiCaprio, Del Toro, Penn, Brolin, Rourke, Langella, etc.
If Ron Howard and/or Clint get nominated and win over Boyle, Nolan, or Fincher... Dear Christ.

I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that they'll give Clint the acting Oscar. The only other massive buzz so far is for Sean Penn, who instead of going full retard is going full homo, and Mickey Rourke, who apparently everyone hates. So you've got Clint, a badass, for sure, but not much about Gran Torino has impressed me thus far.
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If anyone's deserving of two acting Oscars (other than DDL), it's Penn. So I won't begrudge him a second one, and it looks like Milk is so different than what he normally plays it could put him over the top. You never know.

Thing is, I doubt any of the major critics groups are going to give it to Clint, and I have a hard time believing SAG will be very impressed. Winning an Oscar without any precursors is going to be a bit of an uphill battle. Unless the Globes give it to him, and they like to starfuck younger actors normally.

We'll see.
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Quite frankly, I am sick of Clint Eastwood.

Million Dollar Baby was overrated.

Best Picture my ass.
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If anyone's deserving of two acting Oscars (other than DDL), it's Penn. So I won't begrudge him a second one, and it looks like Milk is so different than what he normally plays it could put him over the top. You never know.

Thing is, I doubt any of the major critics groups are going to give it to Clint, and I have a hard time believing SAG will be very impressed. Winning an Oscar without any precursors is going to be a bit of an uphill battle. Unless the Globes give it to him, and they like to starfuck younger actors normally.

We'll see.
Yeah, it's a toss up. I just hope California politics don't influence the pick too much... again, I speak not having seen the film yet. They may feel the need to validate themselves for not going for Ledger or Brokeback in '05 when it was the overwhelming fave, you know?

I hope you're right.
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i really didn't think the Polanski doc was all that and a bag of chips.
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Old 12-07-2008, 06:35 PM   #43
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Yes, I said it. Raiders is a tribute to adventure serials of the 30's. It's a hell of a lot of fun. It's perfectly cast, acted, and directed. But it has ZERO depth. And I don't know why you'd call it a landmark, because it didn't exactly usher in a slew of knockoffs or break any kind of cinematic ground--conversely, it's actually a pastiche of films that had been done over and over again for the last 40 years. How does it stand apart from Jaws, for instance, as a blockbuster or an adventure film?

i think one difference is that, while Raiders is a revisitation of the past, it is an original story. Batman is a very well known, very well established, total franchise with built in B.O. even a steaming pile of crap like "Batman and Robin" is going to make $100m at the box office. and i do disagree very much about Raiders not inspiring knock offs. i think every action/adventure film that has happened since 1981 has tried to measure up to Raiders. you have, say, the awful "King Solomon's Mines," "Romancing the Stone," and the whole "Mummy" series. and that's just off the top of my head.

i'd say it stands apart from jaws in that it is better directed and more thrilling -- Jaws is more of a horror film, i'd say -- and it created a timeless character who's himself an icon. i'm a fan of Chief Brody, Quinn, and Matt Hooper, but they're hardly heroic icons (Bruce the shark, maybe).



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On the flipside, The Dark Knight is also perfectly cast, and while not directed as well (or consistently as well), has set pieces that are up there with ANYTHING in modern action films, and raises some very serious moral and ethical questions. Not anything that hasn't been probed deeper in other films, but for something as big and pop as this, it's a major achievement. It also reflects things in our current (read: pre-Obama) political situation without beating you over the head. There's SO much to take away from it, and I don't think it will lessen its appeal over time, either.

i do absolutely agree that TDK has much more political depth than Raiders, and than any comic book action movie, and it has more in common with "Heat." and the Mumbai attacks, for me, reinforced this -- how do you deal with people who only want to watch the world burn? who are not afraid of dying? of people who will line you up, take your passport, stuff it in your mouth, and then shoot you in the head? that's what, i think, Ledger was on about, and perhaps he got a glimpse of something, some Heart of Darkness, that made him go a bit crazy. it wouldn't surprise me if the role gave him PTSD.


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In my opinion, when they've already nominated genre fare like Star Wars, Jaws, Raiders, Close Encounters, The Fugitive, Silence of the Lambs, etc. for Best Picture, the argument that TDK doesn't fit is ludicrous. It's not as shallow as any of those, and wouldn't be an embarrassment to the Academy in the slightest.

on this we agree. i think it deserves a BP nomination.
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Two locks:

Milk
Slumdog Millionaire

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I saw Slumdog and Milk this week end.


Slumdog a good movie, I was expecting more

I have seen a lot of Indian films in Hindi, that have been more impressive.

I guess this just got too much hype, for me.



Milk, is an outstanding film

Penn is always good, he is exceptional here, the casting is great, Van Sant hits all the right notes, as someone that lived through the 70s - he nailed it.

I hope this film gets a lot of noms and wins.
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Chief Brody, Quint and Hooper all jump out in my mind as far more memorable characters than anyone in Raiders... Indy included.

But that's probably just because I've seen Jaws upwards of 50 times. No joke, my dad's a fanatic.
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