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Old 07-09-2010, 05:47 PM   #91
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No I'm making fun of him can't you read?
Oh, I can read, thanks. It's just when I read things like this, it sounds to me like you're somehow making excuses for the reasons behind what he's saying. In truth, nothing can excuse the things he says, even if she does dress provocatively.


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Well he said racist things but what's actually bothering Mel Gibson is that he married a woman who has breast implants and wears provocative clothing (probably what got him interested in the first place) and he's blaming her for being who she is. He's confused. It's like marrying a women with provocative clothing and then blaming her for wearing provocative clothing.
Oh, and his comments were not only racist, but there's just wee bit of misogyny there as well.
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Of course, he was an idiot and probably he is seriously fucked up to do something like that; and I wouldn't ever trust him with a child. But well, my point is the girl saying to everyone to let it go. It's bad for her that no one forgets about this. So, no point in crucify Polanksi now.
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Okay, thanks for that first part, because I was about to seriously go off on you.

I understand the victim no longer wants the attention and wishes it would all go away, but unfortunately for her, that doesn't negate the fact that he was convicted of a crime he never served the time for, so the justice system isn't going to just stop and say "Oh, all right. We'll drop the whole thing."
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Oh, and his comments were not only racist, but there's just wee bit of misogyny there as well.
And narcissism etc, etc....It's fun seeing him think that her dressing the way she does affects his "image" when his image is beyond rehabilitation.
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Okay, thanks for that first part, because I was about to seriously go off on you.

I understand the victim no longer wants the attention and wishes it would all go away, but unfortunately for her, that doesn't negate the fact that he was convicted of a crime he never served the time for, so the justice system isn't going to just stop and say "Oh, all right. We'll drop the whole thing."
That's okay. It's just that I talked about this Polanski thing so much that I sometimes forget to say that I do find him a motherf**ker for doing that. (When I said "nothing against him" I was talking about my believe that crucify him now is wasted time.)
It's just that I don't see the point in the effort (and money) spent on him now, especially with the victim's pardon. Of course, he's convicted and he commited a serious crime. Raping is one of the most disgusting things to me (and I believe in a much more... serious punishment for men who do that, but that's another matter).
Also, since he didn't do anything wrong since and it's not like he's a bum - and actually does something... well, useful to the society - I think this particular case should be forgotten about. But the main reason to me is the victim's wish.
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It's interesting to think about separating the artist from his art. For instance, I said I wasn't going to watch any more Mel Gibson films (honestly, not like I watch them often anyway), but I usually don't have a problem watching films by Polanski or even Woody Allen - I can appreciate their art while keeping their heinous (or squicky, in Allen's case) actions at a distance.

I was thinking about it yesterday after I posted my Gibson snit - why would I be okay with watching films by Polanski, a convicted child rapist, and not Gibson? Am I in essence saying that "well, rape is okay, but domestic violence is right out!" Because that's pretty awful.

I mean, on the one hand, if you stop taking in any art by anyone who's done something you were morally opposed to, you'd probably end up with a short list of people whose work you could continue to enjoy. On the other hand, to cherry-pick which artists you're going to stop supporting could be a bit hypocritical.

In conclusion: Mel Gibson is a prick, and I can live just fine with never getting around to seeing Braveheart.
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It's interesting to think about separating the artist from his art. For instance, I said I wasn't going to watch any more Mel Gibson films (honestly, not like I watch them often anyway), but I usually don't have a problem watching films by Polanski or even Woody Allen - I can appreciate their art while keeping their heinous (or squicky, in Allen's case) actions at a distance.

I was thinking about it yesterday after I posted my Gibson snit - why would I be okay with watching films by Polanski, a convicted child rapist, and not Gibson? Am I in essence saying that "well, rape is okay, but domestic violence is right out!" Because that's pretty awful.

I mean, on the one hand, if you stop taking in any art by anyone who's done something you were morally opposed to, you'd probably end up with a short list of people whose work you could continue to enjoy. On the other hand, to cherry-pick which artists you're going to stop supporting could be a bit hypocritical.

In conclusion: Mel Gibson is a prick, and I can live just fine with never getting around to seeing Braveheart.
I think it's all a matter of time too. I mean, Polanski's thing happened in the 70's and after that the man got tons of acclaim. Allen's was in the mid-80's I guess. It's usual for us to... forget and "oh to hell with it, it's Allen, I'll watch his film". Of course, forget is wrong if we're going by that logic, but it also has to do with the quality of the person's work. Both Polanski and Allen (especially Allen, to me) have done great things in their area and well... for movie lovers, that just can't be ignored.
And actually I think it's like you said, there wouldn't be many people that we would be able to watch and enjoy. And I think it's healty to separate the art from the artists - especially for someone like me, who has a passion for film and music. Once is out there, is not his or hers, it's ours. If it's a great work it should be appreciated for what it is. It's not the actors in there, it's their characters, and if they are doing a wonderful job with it, well, I think it shouldn't be dismissed for the person's personal life. Same goes for directors, screenwriters, etc.
Also, Gibson thing is happening now and he's been fucking up repeatedly, that makes people hate him more and more. As for the hypocritical part, I believe that first we gotta to see if we're not being hypocritical to our wishes. For example, on my case, if I love movies and won't go watch a -insert name of someone with quality work here- because of this or that, I would just be lying to myself, cause I want to see the film.

Anyway, yeah, I wouldn't miss Braveheart either.
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Polanski fucked a 13 year old, plain and simple. Whether or not she wants to make a thing of it now is irrelevant, it was/is wrong and illegal, end of story. Whether or not fans can find a way to justify that and still enjoy his work is up to them, I guess. I can't. Woody Allen is more of a grey area to me - she was of age (right? Correct me if I'm wrong) and they're still married now, so there must have been something genuine there. As for Mel, I hope his career is over. Time will tell, but I can't imagine many flocking to worship him or his work.
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Woody Allen is more of a grey area to me - she was of age (right? Correct me if I'm wrong) and they're still married now, so there must have been something genuine there.
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In 1982, Woody Allen cast Mia in his film, "A Midsummer's Night Sex Comedy." The two fell in love, and began a very successful creative partnership. Allen tailored roles to fit Mia's ethereal beauty and quirky personality. She starred in "The Purple Rose of Cairo," the film many critics consider to be his masterpiece. Others, such as "Hannah and Her Sisters" and "Crimes and Misdemeanors" were box office hits.

However, there were always problems in the Allen-Farrow relationship. Mia felt that Allen exploited her family for material, a charge that seems undeniable in the case of "Hannah and Her Sisters." Allen cast Mia's mother in the film, shot it in her apartment, and even used her children to play Hannah's children. The movie got raves from both critics and audiences, but the portrait was not flattering. O'Sullivan was caricatured as a washed-up show-biz floozy, and Mia was portrayed as an overbearing martyr.

In 1991, the situation exploded when Farrow found nude photographs of her teenage daughter, Soon-Yi, in Allen's apartment. She sent soon-Yi off to school, but, amazingly, continued to work with Allen on their latest film, "Husbands and Wives." Her hopes of a reconciliation were shattered when she found out that Allen and Soon-Yi were still in communication and planning a future together. In the huge scandal and legal battle that followed, Allen lost custody of two adopted children and the biological son he shared with Farrow. Allen and Soon-Yi married, and eventually adopted two daughters of their own.
Mia also accused him of sexual abuse of an adopted daughter Dylan but the charges were let go because Dylan didn't have consistent stories.
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^Yeah, thanks. I just googled some stuff, and she was 21 when the "affair" started. It's gross and squicky, and he's an asshole for not considering how it would affect his other children, but ultimately, she was an adult and not related to him. And...she's turning 40 this year, and they're still together.

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^Yeah, thanks. I just googled some stuff, and she was 21 when the "affair" started. It's gross and squicky, and he's an asshole for not considering how it would affect his other children, but ultimately, she was an adult and not related to him. And...she's turning 40 this year, and they're still together.

Woody Allen Tells of Affair as Custody Battle Begins - NYTimes.com
Yeah the marriage is legal though I think the photos were when she was a teenager (yet Mia kept working with him). This in turn makes some people wonder if her accusations about Dylan were true, though the judge said that she didn't have a consistent story so it was thrown out. Either way I think Woody and Mia both have their own issues and it shouldn't take away from the movies. Though I tend to look at Manhattan and Bananas in a different way now. I was also a little surprised that Allen made fun of Mia's family in Hannah and her sisters (which I like) I don't know if I should laugh harder or not laugh at all.
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According to what he testified to in court, the "affair" started in late Dec when Soon Yi was 21, and Mia found the pics just a few weeks later in January. I'm assuming the pics were taken during that time? I could be wrong, but I haven't seen anything to the contrary. If they had been taken when she was underage, I'm sure he would have been nailed for that.

Reading the articles refreshed my memory, and I remember that at the time, most people thought the molestation accusations were a case of Mia being a woman scorned. I agree with you, I think they're both nutcases.
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Yes he is....

Glad I married a gentleman. He would never use that kind of language towards any woman.
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If this is true then I wonder what Gibson's ex-wife must have went through.
I was thinking the same thing and his children from that marriage. If she suffered the same. I don't blame her for getting divorced.
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Reading the articles refreshed my memory, and I remember that at the time, most people thought the molestation accusations were a case of Mia being a woman scorned. I agree with you, I think they're both nutcases.
Here's an old CNN story:

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NEW YORK (Reuter) -- Mia Farrow's long-awaited memoir on life with Woody Allen hit bookstores Wednesday, painting the director-comedian as more neurotic than anyone he ever played in one of his films.

Forget Valentine's Day. In "What Falls Away," Farrow wrote a poison pen letter accusing Allen of bizarre behavior culminating in his seducing one of her adopted daughters and possibly sexually molesting another.

But some pages in Farrow's 370-page book read like scenes from a Woody Allen comedy -- such as his early habit of asking his secretary to call Farrow to arrange dates and never directly doing it himself. Alone with her, he could not bring himself to say her name.

"Woody Allen was connected to his doctors like no one I ever heard of: he had a doctor for every single part of his body. Whenever one of his movies came out he'd have a screening for his doctors and their wives. It was called 'The Doctor's Screening' and the room was always full," she wrote, adding that if Allen felt the least bit ill he would take his temperature every 10 minutes.

"He kept his own thermometer at my apartment. In his pocket he kept a silver box of pills for any conceivable ailment."

Farrow, whose 1992 child custody battle with Allen made international headlines, said one of their oddest moments together came when he discovered the drain to the shower in her new country house was in the middle and not the side.

"'What happened? I asked, 'What's wrong?' 'The drain is in the middle,' he said, shaking his head dismissively as if I should have known."

Farrow had to build another shower with the drain at the side.

Farrow said that in her years with Allen, "There were three of us in the relationship: Woody, his shrink and me. No decisions were ever made without her. He didn't even buy sheets without talking to her. I know that part of several sessions went into his switch from polyester-satin to cotton."

In the book Farrow described her shock at first discovering Allen had taken pornographic photos of her adopted daughter Soon-Yi Previn and then that he was having an affair with the 17-year-old.

Farrow also wrote of her 7-year-old daughter Dylan, accusing Allen of sexually molesting her -- a charge Allen strongly denied. He was never charged.

Farrow described Allen as being obsessed with Dylan, saying, "He whispered her awake, he caressed her and entwined his body around her as she watched television, as she played on the floor, as she ate, as she slept. He brought her into bed when he was wearing only his underpants. Twice I made him take his thumb out of her mouth."

The actress, who was married and divorced from Frank Sinatra and conductor Andre Previn, said she cannot explain why she continued her relationship with Allen for so long.

Woody Allen's spokeswoman, Leslie Dart, said he would have no comment on the book. Told that Farrow had used the volume to make numerous accusations against her employer, Dart replied: "I'm not surprised. She's been doing that for four years."
Jeez I didn't know that Woody actually liked shrinks in real life like he did in his movies. Of course this is her book and point of view.

Here they say the pictures were of her when she was 17 though that doesn't surprise me. I had a gym teacher in elementary and junior high that would grab butts of girls in my class (13 year olds). He married my next door neighbor who was vietnamese girl right when she turned 18 after his divorce finalized. They are still together and most people don't believe that he didn't date at some point before she was 18, though from my personal view he was grabbing a lot of girls and was just waiting for the right one to replace his wife.

Anyways they are still together so no one can say there isn't something.
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