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Old 07-13-2010, 10:53 AM   #151
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oh for Pete's sake.

i know it's fun to feel all outraged, but no one is "defending" Polanski.

Polansk raped a teenager 30 years ago. Mel Gibson beat his wife a year (?) ago and is as emotionally abusive as he was physically abusive.

if we want to rank people on a perceived "food chain," go right ahead and do so. just don't get all self-righteous about determining which person is more bad. or who deserves what punishment -- we have courts and laws for that, and jails.

making a distinction is not making a defense. and the distinction i was trying to make was, when deciding whether or not to boycott a particular artist, perhaps one consideration might be the fact that Polanski appears to not have committed the same crime in the past 30 years. you know, in our society, we sentence people to jail for a certain period of time and they pay their debt to society and they hopefully come out reformed and don't commit the crime again and become productive members of society. sure, it might make us feel good to continually rake people over the coals and scream at them, but it doesn't really do anyone else any good. Polanski should do time in jail today for the jail time he should have done in 1977. he did a very, very bad thing.

Mel Gibson continues to do very, very bad things -- drunk driving, spousal abuse -- and he hasn't seemed to have paid any price or served any time. he should.

he's also a misogynist, racist, homophobe, and anti-Semite.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:55 AM   #152
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if we want to rank people on a perceived "food chain," go right ahead and do so. just don't get all self-righteous about determining which person is more bad. or who deserves what punishment -- we have courts and laws for that, and jails.
Thats assuming folks don't flee to France.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:16 AM   #153
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oh for Pete's sake.

i know it's fun to feel all outraged, but no one is "defending" Polanski.

Polansk raped a teenager 30 years ago. Mel Gibson beat his wife a year (?) ago and is as emotionally abusive as he was physically abusive.

if we want to rank people on a perceived "food chain," go right ahead and do so. just don't get all self-righteous about determining which person is more bad. or who deserves what punishment -- we have courts and laws for that, and jails.

making a distinction is not making a defense. and the distinction i was trying to make was, when deciding whether or not to boycott a particular artist, perhaps one consideration might be the fact that Polanski appears to not have committed the same crime in the past 30 years. you know, in our society, we sentence people to jail for a certain period of time and they pay their debt to society and they hopefully come out reformed and don't commit the crime again and become productive members of society. sure, it might make us feel good to continually rake people over the coals and scream at them, but it doesn't really do anyone else any good. Polanski should do time in jail today for the jail time he should have done in 1977. he did a very, very bad thing.

Mel Gibson continues to do very, very bad things -- drunk driving, spousal abuse -- and he hasn't seemed to have paid any price or served any time. he should.
I never said you were defending Polanski-but a rapist is a rapist and in my opinion he never really paid for it..and the whole Hollywood attitude with that petition and people like Whoopi and now Mel Gibson. Whoopi is also not the only person on the face of the earth who believes in that whole "it wasn't rape rape" thing. Many people still do, unfortunately-and not just celebrity friends. That's what really makes me so angry and upset and I can't separate that from any mention of Polanski, sorry. Polanski and Mel have the Hollywood issues in common but other than that I don't see any connection or comparison. Except for the fact that they're both arrogant men with major problems who have gotten away with many things in life-criminal or otherwise. The big question is, why. Polanski ran away, that's one reason. I don't feel all outraged because it's "fun".
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:56 PM   #154
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Old 07-13-2010, 01:56 PM   #155
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Ew, ew, EW! I clicked on that link before I realized it's from that douchebag's site; now I need to shower.

For anyone else who is morally opposed to giving him page hits, it's also here at Gawker:

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Old 07-13-2010, 01:57 PM   #156
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I don't think I can sit through anything just as awful.
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mamma mia . . . someone just lock him up and throw away the damn key . . . before he hurts somebody . . . and good lord, all I can really think about are his kids . . .what did they hear / see over the course of their young lives
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May I intercede for Mel Gibson...

Hitting his wife was wrong and saying racist remarks was wrong.

But...

NOT ONE MAN gets that crazy and angry for no reason. I know women and what they're capable of. Looking at this russian model and her past I can tell she knows her way around manipulating the hell out of a guy and making him jealous.

Just the fact that she decided to record him can let you know that she knew she'd be pressing his buttons. Sure, Gibson crossed the line but I'm way positive he was somewhat provoked. I'll sign that with two hands.
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he is an adult

he is responsible for his actions

provoked or not his behaviour is inexcusable. full stop. end of story.

*leaves thread fuming*
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May I intercede for Mel Gibson...

Hitting his wife was wrong and saying racist remarks was wrong.

But...

NOT ONE MAN gets that crazy and angry for no reason. I know women and what they're capable of. Looking at this russian model and her past I can tell she knows her way around manipulating the hell out of a guy and making him jealous.

Just the fact that she decided to record him can let you know that she knew she'd be pressing his buttons. Sure, Gibson crossed the line but I'm way positive he was somewhat provoked. I'll sign that with two hands.
Nothing - NOTHING - gives anyone, man or woman, the right to talk to another human being that way. There are no excuses, provocations or not. I'm shocked people are even saying things like what you're saying. It's just not right.

And the fact that she recorded it could also be that she had had enough of his antics and decided to get proof of it.

WOW. I'm still shaking my head in disbelief at your post.
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WOW. I'm still shaking my head in disbelief at your post.
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