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Old 06-15-2009, 11:49 PM   #646
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However, I seriously doubt most people are going to be talking much about Benjamin Button 15 years from now in any context.
That's the beauty of the auteur theory. If the director is good enough, even the minor works will continue to get studied and find fans. You'd be surprised how many people discuss and love lesser-known Vincente Minnelli, Fritz Lang, or John Ford films, for example.

For what it's worth, a very good essay on Button (with an optional video accompaniment) from a great writer I mentioned a couple days ago:

Present Tense by Matt Zoller Seitz - Moving Image Source

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That's the beauty of the auteur theory. If the director is good enough, even the minor works will continue to get studied and find fans. You'd be surprised how many people discuss and love lesser-known Vincente Minnelli, Fritz Lang, or John Ford films, for example.

For what it's worth, a very good essay on Button (with an optional video accompaniment) from a great writer I mentioned a couple days ago:

Present Tense by Matt Zoller Seitz - Moving Image Source

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I'll give that a read in a few minutes.

You're right though, and that really is a lot of fun, given the auteurist context, to find or attribute value to artists' lesser works.
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That's the beauty of the auteur theory. If the director is good enough, even the minor works will continue to get studied and find fans. You'd be surprised how many people discuss and love lesser-known Vincente Minnelli, Fritz Lang, or John Ford films, for example.

For what it's worth, a very good essay on Button (with an optional video accompaniment) from a great writer I mentioned a couple days ago:

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I'd love to read the essay or so including in the Criterion release as well.
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Yeah, I need to pick it up at some point, but I feel weird about buying big releases non-Blu Ray now. I still don't own The Dark Knight.
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Well, he's certainly a good read. I'm browsing other stuff on this site now.

However, I must say, the film he seems to be describing here sounds really fantastic. Unfortuantely, I still can't escape all the criticisms he quotes from other critics in the first 3 paragraphs of his piece, and I'm not sure he attempts to do much to disqualify many of them. He expounds beautifully on many of the films ambitions and I'd probably agree with him if I thought the movie succeeded in any of them. But so many of the films flaws continually undermined any of those artistic merits for me, where it appears they were pretty much negligible for this writer. Which is fine, but as lame as I continue to sound, it's still so hard for me to care given how indifferent my own viewing experience was.
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Yeah, I need to pick it up at some point, but I feel weird about buying big releases non-Blu Ray now. I still don't own The Dark Knight.
Indeed. I'm even more surprised that some of the Criterion Blu Rays are cheaper than the 2-Disc DVD editions, Ben Button and Bottle Rocket being prime examples.

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Well, he's certainly a good read. I'm browsing other stuff on this site now.

However, I must say, the film he seems to be describing here sounds really fantastic. Unfortuantely, I still can't escape all the criticisms he quotes from other critics in the first 3 paragraphs of his piece, and I'm not sure he attempts to do much to disqualify many of them. He expounds beautifully on many of the films ambitions and I'd probably agree with him if I thought the movie succeeded in any of them. But so many of the films flaws continually undermined any of those artistic merits for me, where it appears they were pretty much negligible for this writer. Which is fine, but as lame as I continue to sound, it's still so hard for me to care given how indifferent my own viewing experience was.
There's a 5-piece dissection of Wes Anderson that looks to be pretty interesting.
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Also, Mad Men Season 2 BD July 14!!!
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Thanks for this.

I agree with everything about Benji being an excruciatingly passive protagonist, but I still liked it. It never felt overly long to me, either. I found Daisy much more compelling than Jenny, who was an extremely broadly drawn character. I don't know, I just liked it all quite a bit. I'm a big fan of Fincher's*, so that might help.

One complaint: I don't know if Seitz hit the nail on the head when mentioning the "beautiful" swimmer. Tilda is a certified boner killer. Cate, on the other hand. Fuck. I couldn't get over how amazing she looked.

Look for Benji to clean up its one nomination for the Teen Choice Awards:

* Hugh Jackman, "Australia"
* Dev Patel, "Slumdog Millionaire"
* Robert Pattinson, "Twilight"
* Brad Pitt, "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button"
* Channing Tatum, "Fighting"

What an honor for the Pitt Dog! Right up there with Cedric Diggory and certified pants pisser Wolverine. And don't get me started on Dev Patel. B. Butts was a much more compelling protagonist than whatever his name was in Cumdog.

*How underrated is The Game?
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Thanks for this.

I agree with everything about Benji being an excruciatingly passive protagonist, but I still liked it. It never felt overly long to me, either. I found Daisy much more compelling than Jenny, who was an extremely broadly drawn character. I don't know, I just liked it all quite a bit. I'm a big fan of Fincher's*, so that might help.

One complaint: I don't know if Seitz hit the nail on the head when mentioning the "beautiful" swimmer. Tilda is a certified boner killer. Cate, on the other hand. Fuck. I couldn't get over how amazing she looked in it.

Look for Benji to clean up its one nomination for the Teen Choice Awards:

* Hugh Jackman, "Australia"
* Dev Patel, "Slumdog Millionaire"
* Robert Pattinson, "Twilight"
* Brad Pitt, "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button"
* Channing Tatum, "Fighting"


*How underrated is The Game?
Gump essentially demonizes Jenny for her crazy "lefty" ways. And yes, Cate was lookin' all sorts of good in Benji.

The Game is a first-rate thriller until it takes a turn toward the retarded with the final twist. I cannot get over how terrible that last 10-15 minutes are

 
After Michael Douglas jumps off of the roof and the whole thing REALLY, REALLY is a game... then he ditches the whole thing, including his brother who he thought he just inadvertently murdered to get into a cab with the actress chick. It all felt very cheap and convenient to me, especially when the rest of the film is so inventive.


Over/under on the amount of Teen Choice Awards that Twilight nets? 9? 10?
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Over/under on the amount of Teen Choice Awards that Twilight nets? 9? 10?
When and where are those held this year? I need to be there.
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Winner. Plus I see your problem with The Game, but I never had much of an issue with it. And it had one of the better uses of "White Rabbit" I've seen.

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