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Old 06-27-2009, 02:43 PM   #76
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I'm pretty sure it was his dad who would make fun of his acne and his nose. Thats gotta be damaging coming from your father
Yeah, I've read/heard an interesting theory that actually makes a whole lot of sense...after his adolescence, in the earlier years of his adulthood, he felt like he was facially starting to look too much like his father, and he hated his father so much that he never wanted to look anything like him, and that's why the plastic surgeries started. If that's true, that's really sad.
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Well of course it's possible for an interracial couple to have a child of either color, I'm just saying, the chances of him biologically fathering three children and none of them being at all black seem not so great to me.
I'm not trying to be rude but if one parent is black, no matter what the kids look like, they're black. Maybe you meant "and none of them appear to be black"?
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Yeah, I've read/heard an interesting theory that actually makes a whole lot of sense...after his adolescence, in the earlier years of his adulthood, he felt like he was facially starting to look too much like his father, and he hated his father so much that he never wanted to look anything like him, and that's why the plastic surgeries started. If that's true, that's really sad.
Here's what I'd almost 1000% put my money on: the surgeries weren't done for vanity or an attempt to look white. He had serious mental dissociative issues, the reason you mention likely included.
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Old 06-27-2009, 02:54 PM   #79
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I'm not trying to be rude but if one parent is black, no matter what the kids look like, they're black. Maybe you meant "and none of them appear to be black"?
Yes of course that's what I meant.
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What a sad sad sad time for his fans, his family and for music in general

He was completely bonkers but his musical legacy can not (and ultimately will not) be denied

I hope his children are given the time, the space and the freedom to heal and given the chance to live a life unencumbered by the craziness that surrounded their father

I hope he has found his peace

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Anyone else see some parallels between Michael Jackson's life and Citizen Kane?
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Here's what I'd almost 1000% put my money on: the surgeries weren't done for vanity or an attempt to look white. He had serious mental dissociative issues, the reason you mention likely included.
Well, according to Wiki, Michael got his first nose job because he was having a difficult time breathing. When the Pepsi incident occurred, he sustained burns to his scalp, not his face. Obviously surgery was needed to fix his scalp. Michael was so grateful that he donated a large sum of money to the hospital and they renamed the burn center The Michael Jackson Burn Center in his honor. As we know, Michael would continue to get work done on his face through the years. There's a huge difference in his face from the Thriller to Bad albums. Most noticeable are the cheek bones and the cleft in his chin.
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E! is showing a 2 hour 'True Hollywood Story' on Michael Jackson today. I watched a bit of it. In regards to the nose, I think he fell/broke it while on tour with The Jacksons in the late 70s (prior to Pepsi for sure) and had surgery. And supposedly his nose wasn't changed on purpose - it just looked smaller/narrower than it had before. They showed a side by side pic of before/after.
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Well, according to Wiki, Michael got his first nose job because he was having a difficult time breathing. When the Pepsi incident occurred, he sustained burns to his scalp, not his face. Obviously surgery was needed to fix his scalp. Michael was so grateful that he donated a large sum of money to the hospital and they renamed the burn center The Michael Jackson Burn Center in his honor. As we know, Michael would continue to get work done on his face through the years. There's a huge difference in his face from the Thriller to Bad albums. Most noticeable are the cheek bones and the cleft in his chin.

Yep, it was those later facial, cheek and cleft surgeries I was referring to as being part of his troubled state. I think it also bears mentioning that once you alter a bit of your appearance, hasn't it been well documented that there is some psychological spin off/after effect also where you're either dissatisfied or you can't stop? Couple that with when you are rich, surrounded by leeches and yes men..and it's not hard to imagine what would happen.
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Been watching the news a fair bit. Still sad at his death. Even got some old tapes of me and bro out when we were kids dancing and messing about to MJ tunes. I had my BAD t-shirt on. I think as i can place so many memories in my childhood to MJ, thats why i feel some kind of connection even though i never knew the guy. I remember getting Dangerous on Cassette in Birmingham and and going with my dad a few weeks later to get Off the Wall. The guy had a messed up personal life, but his fragile nature probably appealed to so many. That the most famous person to ever land on this planet had many problems just like everyone else. Obviously his were a bit dodgy.

I didnt care when Diana died as she was some woman who did nothing and had no talent. Jacko was the king, most famous and greatest pop star ever. So wanted to see him at the O2.

His tunes will live forever though
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Just recalled a connection here and it's something to think about.

Karen Carpenter said her anorexia began when she read an article calling her 'chubby'.

Michael Jackson stated once that he started wanting to get plastic surgery when he passed two girls in a store who said "Isn't that Michael Jackson? He used to be so cute when he was little, but now that he's grown up he's ugly."

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When does that come out? I want to get one.

ETA: It comes out Monday morning. I hope I'll be able to find one.
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ETA: It comes out Monday morning. I hope I'll be able to find one.
TIME Mag Rushes Out Jackson Issue | TMZ.com
Sorry, I was going to post that it comes out Monday but got distracted by the weather alert radio screeching........
I am planning to try to get one on Monday, also.
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Here's a timely article.
I think Michael had some difencies in his soul, demons that he wrestled with through out his life; and I won't condemn him-that is between God and him.
I do pray for his soul though:

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I was on vacation with my family in Iceland when my office called and shared the terrible news of Michael Jackson's passing. My wife and children were with me in the van. We could scarcely believe what we had heard. The children all remembered Michael fondly. He had given them their dog Marshmallow who is a member of our family until today. My daughter teared up. And while I was heartsick at the news, especially for his three young children, I was not shocked. I dreaded this day and knew it had to come sooner rather than later.


Shayla Ivy cries as she holds a wax replica of Michael Jackson outside of Madame Tussaud's Wax Museum at The Venetian Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas on Thursday.
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Slideshow: The 'King of Pop' is dead In the two years that I had attempted, ultimately unsuccessfully, to help Michael repair his life, what most frightened me was not that he would be arrested again for child molestation, although he later was. Rather it was that he would die. As I told CNN on April 22, 2004, "My great fear, and why I felt I had to be distanced from Michael ... was that he would not live long. My fear was that Michael's life would be cut short. When you have no ingredients of a healthy life, when you are totally detached from that which is normal, and when you are a super-celebrity you, God forbid, end up like Janis Joplin like Elvis... Michael is headed in that direction."

I am no prophet and it did not take a rocket scientist to see the impending doom. Michael was a man in tremendous pain and his tragedy was to medicate his pain away rather than addressing its root cause. On many occasions when I visited him he would emerge from his room woozy and clearly sedated. Who were the doctors who were giving him this stuff? Was there no one to save him from himself? Was there no one to intervene?

By the time I met Michael in the summer of 1999, he was already one of the most famous people in the world, but he seemed lethargic, burned-out, and purposeless. He wanted to consecrate his great fame to helping children but knew he could not due to the 1993 child molestation allegations against him. He was cut off from family and was alienated from the Jehovah's Witnesses Church which had nurtured him. He could barely muster the energy to complete the album he was working on. The only thing that seemed to motivate him was his children, to whom he was exceptionally devoted.

As we grew closer, I tried to impress on Michael that his salvation would come not from further concerts or album sales, but from reconnecting with loved ones, finding a spiritual anchor, replacing his desire for attention with a hunger for righteous action, and surrounding himself with serious and wise friends. I took him to meet Elie Wiesel, the Holocaust survivor and Nobel laureate. We lectured at Carnegie Hall together. At Oxford University he delivered a lecture asking all children to forgive their parents if they had been neglectful. On the way down to the university he had called his father Joe to tell him he loved him. All this was significant progress. He came with me to synagogue and regularly attended Shabbat dinner. He seemed directed and content.

Alas, Michael could not sustain the spiritual effort. He felt that many of the activities I advocated he undertake, like the day he handed out books to parents to read to their children in Newark, New Jersey, were too ordinary for a superstar. He felt he was being demystified. He needed the throngs, he thrived on the adulation of the crowds.



In many ways his tragedy was to mistake attention for love. I will never forget what he said when we sat down to record 40 hours of conversations where he would finally reveal himself for a book I authored. He turned to me and said these haunting words: "I am going to say something I have never said before and this is the truth. I have no reason to lie to you and God knows I am telling the truth. I think all my success and fame, and I have wanted it, I have wanted it because I wanted to be loved. That's all. That's the real truth. I wanted people to love me, truly love me, because I never really felt loved. I said I know I have an ability. Maybe if I sharpened my craft, maybe people will love me more. I just wanted to be loved because I think it is very important to be loved and to tell people that you love them and to look in their eyes and say it." One cannot read these words without feeling a tremendous sadness for a soul that was so surrounded with hero-worship but remained so utterly alone. Because Michael substituted attention for love he got fans who loved what he did but he never had true compatriots who loved him for who he was. Perhaps this is why, when so many of his inner circle saw him destroying his life with prescription medication - something he used to treat phantom physical illnesses which were really afflictions of the soul - they allowed him to deteriorate and disintegrate rather than throwing the poison in the garbage.

Michael's death is not just a personal tragedy, it is an American tragedy. Michael's story was the stuff of the American dream - a poor black boy who grows up in Gary, Indiana, and ends up a billionaire entertainer. But we now know how the story ends. Money is not a currency by which we can purchase self-esteem and being recognized on the streets will never replace being loved unconditionally by family and true friends.

I miss Michael, I miss him very much. He was far from a saint. But there was a gentility and nobility of spirit that I found humbling and inspiring in a man so accomplished. My heart bleeds for his children whom he adored and who adored him in turn. I think of Prince and Paris and how attached they were to a father who regularly told me that he knew that when they grew up they would be asked by biographers what kind of father he had been. He wanted them to have only warm memories to share. Alas, the memories will remain incomplete.

I pray for them, I pray for his family. And I pray for America.

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach is the founder of This World: The Values Network, and is the author of many best-selling books. Rabbi Shmuley
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