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Old 06-29-2009, 04:53 PM   #241
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At what point is one not responsible for their own demise
Of course. And Michael was responsible for his own life too. But his father is also responsible for his behavior as a parent and his behavior now.

I can see through Joe's behavior what his son might have dealt with. Dealing with grief in odd ways is one thing-promoting crap with Al Sharpton is another.
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Old 06-29-2009, 04:54 PM   #242
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So you find it acceptable to promote your new project when someone is trying to offer condolences on the death of your child?

He is an 80 year old man.

after watching the BET awards last night

they could sure use his new project


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Joseph is currently hosting a boot camp for aspiring hip-hop artists, to change what he sees as distasteful about the genre.
"Everybody is liking rap now. I'm going to have to clean it up a little bit, all that vulgar language out there. I'm going to have to keep that clean, with nice singing in it, and great music behind it".
The O'Jays reminded everyone there was a time when groups could write and sing grest songs like "money, money, money" and 'back stabbers"

some real talent and skill .

I' d like to give old Joe a belt and turn him lose on Soulja Boy Tell 'Em
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Old 06-29-2009, 04:58 PM   #243
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Well, a horrible childhood is the source of things going wrong in your adult life. There are people who can deal with it and find a way to overcome it and live a good life, and others can't. With MJ, it was one of the factors that determined his fate, not the only one, but in combination with everything else, his childhood experiences just shaped him and made him who he would become later in life. He's always tried to understand and love his father, but he always admitted he didn't really know him as a person and was scared of him.
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Old 06-29-2009, 05:00 PM   #244
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He is an 80 year old man.
So? Unless he's been diagnosed with something that would make him incapable of it I would think he would still feel that's inappropriate.

Wow he's going to clean up dirty words in music. I'd rather listen to that any day than to an abusive father engaged in shameless promotion when his son is still in the morgue.
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Well, a horrible childhood is the source of things going wrong in your adult life.
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yes, this seems to be the consensus when considering some of Michael's behavior.


do you give the same consideration to Joseph Jackson. His horrible childhood?

That contributed to his parenting behavior of his own children?
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Old 06-29-2009, 05:15 PM   #246
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So? Unless he's been diagnosed with something that would make him incapable of it I would think he would still feel that's inappropriate.

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I am capable of having compassion and empathy for both Michael Jackson and Joseph Jackson.


Can you tell me what official diagnosis Michael Jackson had that permits you to be tolerant of his behavior?
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Janet's few words and the final song that Jamie sang with_____ (fill in name, I don't know him). I'll Be There...

YouTube - Janet Jackson BET Awards 6/28/09 Michael Jackson Tribute (HQ)
That's Ne-Yo. He's written alot of songs for many artists including Janet, and can be called one of those who were directly inspired by MJ. He also covered The Lady In My Life that night and also last year.

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That's fine and good for adults. But Michael had that work ethic forced on him when he was 10 years old.
Actually, from 5 years old, but your point is bang on.

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Yes I know about MJ being accused of abuse. Don't know if that's true or not. Abused kids sometimes follow that path themselves.

I don't give a damn about the work ethic. It doesn't matter in the slightest when your son has died and you go out promoting crap. Have some dignity and respect. It certainly fits in with a theme of using your kids for cash cows.
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all the siblings got harsh treatment from the father

Michael's issues seem to be more with the rejection by the American public,
as he grew older and faded from his childhood successes.
That's baloney. Michael faded the least. The other Jacksons faded right out, well, except for Janet. Everyone has a different set of neurotransmitters and emotional makeup. You take that many siblings and heap abuse on them? The odds are that at least one will come out fucked up. I think more of them are, they just aren't in the public eye as much so less documented.


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lot's of kids have strict parents, and belts and whippings were common in my generation, I am near M J's age.
See my previous comment. You aren't MJ, he isn't you. Or me. Everyone's different.

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The O'Jays reminded everyone there was a time when groups could write and sing grest songs like "money, money, money" and 'back stabbers"

some real talent and skill .
Your singularly best post of this discussion.

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do you give the same consideration to Joseph Jackson. His horrible childhood?

That contributed to his parenting behavior of his own children?
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Old 06-29-2009, 05:35 PM   #248
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Promoting anything when his son isn't even buried isn't one of them

I don't know the guy personally but I find that disgusting. So sue me.

I'm well aware of MJ's flaws as described in the media. I don't know what's fact and what's fiction. But I tend to believe that his father was abusive.
I don't know. I just see a sad and confused old man with a microphone in his face. I wouldn't take anything anyone in that situation says so literally. My mother is from the same generation. When she's in emotional pain she either says crazy things or changes the subject completely because a lot people from her generation learned to mask pain by saying something positive, or completely unrelated, or just nothing much at all. Joe Jackson did not appear to be a heartless bastard in that video to me. I thought he was just an old man in pain.
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So yeah.. this IS a R.I.P. thread.
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I want to honor M J's many contributions.


I just don't think bashing his father is the way to do it.


as I said before,

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^ I agree.
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I saw Joe speak on the news today
That guy does not care his son is dead
I thought it was disgusting how he was promoting some new record deal or whatever. His son died 4 days ago. He clearly is not affected at all. All he wants is $$$. No wonder Jacko was slightly tapped in the head having that shit father bringing him up.

If only Joe died long ago, jacko would have been fine

AND he was smiling like he was at some comedy gig

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I think the reason we are "bashing" Joe is because he is choosing the wrong forum to promote any/all of his upcoming projects. He shouldn't be promoting anything. He should shut his mouth and allow another member of the family to speak for them. Shit, I'll take LaToya or Tito over him. And he should take Sharpton with him. Instead of Sharpton, they should have chosen Jesse Jackson to speak for the family.
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I don't know. I just see a sad and confused old man with a microphone in his face. I wouldn't take anything anyone in that situation says so literally. My mother is from the same generation. When she's in emotional pain she either says crazy things or changes the subject completely because a lot people from her generation learned to mask pain by saying something positive, or completely unrelated, or just nothing much at all. Joe Jackson did not appear to be a heartless bastard in that video to me. I thought he was just an old man in pain.
I tend to agree with this. He's old, the elderly don't always communicate effectively (whether or not they've been diagnosed with some sort of dementia), and stoicism is highly valued by that generation, they don't tend to wear their hearts on their sleeves.

I'm willing to give him a pass for last night, as bizarre and tacky as it was, without completely excusing his role in the way that Michael turned out.

I was honestly wondering if he was medicated last night.
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