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Old 06-12-2012, 09:09 PM   #61
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:27 PM   #62
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Just had a thought about the black goo.

Maybe the black goo from the beginning of the film and the black goo from the planetoid are different substances, and the black goo itself if just the vessel with which the Engineers transmit their different genetic technology.
There is a scene where David discovers the goo and says something along the lines of "big things come from small beginnings". This could be a wink to the audience in reference to the xenomorphs themselves. In order to start the xenomorph life cycle, the goo infects its host and turns him into a 'zombie' in the same way fungus can turn an ant into a 'zombie'. The purpose being for the host to forcefully mate with a female, thus implanting the seed in the womb so that it can gestate into a facehugger, who upon exiting the new host can then implant a third host with an egg, who will then 'birth' a chest buster (which will grow into a xenomorph). Once the initial batch of facehuggers have been born via black goo, there's no need for the black goo; the life cycle is self sustaining (and by extension, the weapon is self sustaining. perfect for wiping out a planet). Otherwise, being bio weapons that the Engineers created, the facehuggers would have had to of been fully created in a lab of some sort, but that doesn't seem to be the case. So the Engineers knew fully well that the black goo led to xenomorphs (hence the drawings of them in the murals. Maybe some sort of warning sign), that was the whole point of creating it, and apparently they accidentally infected themselves.

So the lifecycle is

goo infects host > host mates and implants facehugger seed > Facehugger birthed > facehuggers implants host > chestbuster xenomorph birthed > Full grown xenomorph lays eggs > Eggs hatch into facehuggers > ect

The black goo/zombie cycle is just the catalyst to get the whole thing started and it exploits the humans reproductive cycle to achieve that
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:44 PM   #63
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That's the only way the zombified humans make any sense. They have to have some sort of functional reason for being. And it makes sense that the way the goo affects humans is the way it's intended to work since it was designed to wipe us out. Since the consentual sex prior to full zombification resulted in the initiation of the xenomorph lifecycle, it would make sense that the whole purpose is the kick start that process.

I may be rambling a little bit, but it makes perfect sense
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:46 PM   #64
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Just assumed the black goo acts as a sort of catalyst for genetic mutation which affects its host DNA differently depending on its make-up. There's some degree of logic to the various permutations throughout the film, but generally just whatever makes for the coolest scenario at any given time, which I'm totally OK with.
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:38 AM   #65
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But it was specifically designed as a bio weapon to be used against the humans. Wouldn't it makes sense that all the events that lead up to the xenomorphs (the endgame bioweapon) would be intended and not just a random genetic mutation? They were stockpiling that stuff to bring to Earth. They had to know its effects. The only way for the xenomorphs to come about on earth is if those same chains of events took place. Otherwise, what's the point?

Even the worms in the facility (which would've been composed of the same DNA deposited on Earth) went through a similar process. We only saw the pure, unchanged worms swimming in the goo, then the next time we see them, they're already in facehugger-worm form (so we weren't shown the zombie worm mating and gestating the black goo seed, but we can assume it happened, since that's the lifecycle). The cobra worm things weren't mutated earth worms, they were what hatched from the earthworms after having the black seed gestate inside (as we know from previous movies, the form of the xenomorphs is dependent on the creatures they choose for hosts. That's why the facehugger removed from Elizabeth looked different than those of the worms)
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Well... yeah. I agree I think. Maybe I didn't communicate that well enough. I just meant the resulting forms can be a bit surprising in design, but it all kind of feels intuitive. I'm tired, I don't know.
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:53 AM   #68
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Saw the movie again today. This time around I was more annoyed with how boring/useless most of the characters were, particularly as I've rewatched Alien and Aliens and thought that the older films handled its cast and group dynamics much better without necessarily fleshing out every character. I especially couldn't wait for Holloway to get flamethrowered and go the f*** away. Still loved the visuals, Shaw and David 8. I thought in particular that the CGI for the Engineers were crazy good - usually when a computer-generated character appears onscreen, I have to get past the "I'm watching a CGI character" feeling but these guys just looked so incredibly real.
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Saw the movie again today. This time around .

Yes, I saw it the Friday it opened in a newer theater with a big bright screen and great sound. I really liked it. A lot of fun.

I saw it three days later in an older multiplex (smaller screen) in 3D. Did not enjoy it near as much. Hated the 3D. Knowing the story, it was not as compelling. I also thought about the Alien movies too. Most of them hold up pretty good on the re-watch. Maybe the critics are right, this is not a great movie. I still say the visuals make it a film that one should see in a good theater.
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Saw it last night, enjoyed the hell out of it. I've seen the Alien movies, but only once, and a long time ago, so I didn't have any real preconceived notions about what to expect here that would tie in. (Obviously, I got the ending chest-bursting bit. Heh.)

I thought the opening sequence was stunning. Assuming that was filmed somewhere real and not CGI gorgeousness, my best guess was that it was Iceland.

Saw it in a really good Seattle theater, and there were several scenes where the floor/seats were rumbling along with whatever loud thing was happening on the screen. Pretty great.
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my best guess was that it was Iceland.
You would be correct
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I rule.

also, now I want to go to Iceland.
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Iceland + Greenland is my dream trip

I want to go to northern Scotland after this movie, as well (the place where they find the cave painting). I love my majestic bleak landscapes.

I liked 3D in this movie, though I'm not sure how much difference it actually makes as opposed to the normal 2D film. As for film itself, yeah it's got some massive problems but I still think that the good stuff makes it worth watching (and re-watching).
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I liked how they used some of the French ancient cave paintings (the horses were the ones I noticed) for the ones in Scotland.

.... speaking of places I want to go. YES PLEASE.
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