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Old 01-08-2016, 10:14 PM   #1
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Making A Murderer

Come on... I can't be the only one obsessed with this doc.

Obviously we need huge spoiler alerts, but we've got to talk about this
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I'm stuck on episode 4 because bonoz _212221 has been slow as fuck in watching this.

It's a good show.
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I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SLOW TO WATCHING IT IF YOU'D STARTED IT TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN I ASKED YOU TO! .

Obviously I'm just gonna have to binge it this weekend, because it's picking up way too much steam for me to remain spoiler free much longer.
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it's nowhere near as OMGUNBELIEVABLE as the internet wants to make it seem, but i'm only about halfway through.
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This show pisses me off because I knew the victim. It can go away at any time.


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A) It didn't need to be 10 episodes long. I had to force myself to watch the final two, to be honest.

B) I'm far more fascinated by the phenomenon of it than the case itself. How bizarre, surreal and upsetting for anyone remotely connected to the Holbachs or the Averys to have thousands of people, ten years later, storming the internet and declaring innocence or guilt.

2B) Also fascinated by my homeland accent. It's so random - I have family members and friends who do have the accent, and others that don't. And they're from the same part of the state. It's so weird.

C) I can see loads of reasonable doubt, but that's because that's what the doc wanted me to see. I don't completely trust that I have the whole story. If the intent of the doc was to point out the horrors of the justice system, they should have done a better job of not making it so one-sided.

D) Although I'm fairly convinced that the nephew got hosed from every side. If anything comes of this legal-wise, I hope he gets a new trial.

E) One thing I am certain of? Ken Kratz. Fuck that fucking guy.
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I have a hard time with this.

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. This is an age-old nugget of wisdom that has stood the test of time.

However...however..the problem with universal truths is they can sometimes be exploited by people for illicit means. And sometimes that illicit end can be an easier time convicting someone who possibly is guilty. Sometimes that illicit end could be pinning a murder on an innocent person. Either way, it's still a miscarriage of justice. Without proper justice, what's the use of a legal system?

And this is why I was so fascinated by this documentary, and feel so bad for the family and friends of the victim...because I truly feel justice has not been served for her. Her memory deserves a legitimate trial based on real evidence and a solid conviction. Her memory deserves a full investigation into ALL parties who had motive and plenty of opportunity to commit this crime. And if that eventually results in a conviction for Steven Avery, then so be it. But now what we have is this tainted conviction and, perhaps even, the very real possibility that a killer still walks free amongst us.

The other thing about smoke...is that there's plenty of smoke swirling around the possible bonfire of a reality that this was a complete frameup. So it works both ways.

I have no special love for the guy they managed to convict. Him, his family..all of them..they are not my kind of people. They're icky. I have no special empathy for them, my outrage is entirely limited to how strongly I feel that justice has not been properly served for the victim.

And yes...fuck Ken Kratz that guy is as slimy a scum ball as they come.
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It can go away at any time.
Don't worry - the internet will be outraged about something else in another week or two.
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I'm not saying Avery is Innocent, but he is certainly Not Guilty by the standards of the court. There is plenty of reasonable doubt.

A couple days ago a juror said she felt guilty was the way to go, out of fear for her safety living in Manitowoc.


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This show sucks. Did all of America suddenly realize that documentaries exist? Fuck this shit.
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"Oooooooh a documentary about a crazy legal case!"

Yeah, you dumb motherfuckers. They've been around for a while. This one is no different.

Fuck documentaries.

Fiction forever.
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Making A Murderer

I'm on episode 9.

I still have no fucking idea why this series is 10 hours long.
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Making A Murderer

And it's over.

Brendan's case is baffling to me. His entire confession was scrapped by the end of Steven's case due to a conspicuous lack of evidence (the murder was judged to have occurred in the garage, not the bedroom, which was clean), yet the alleged validity of that very scenario got him life in prison?
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I was ok with this when I assumed the case was settled. Now knowing it's not, I just feel really uncomfortable with the whole thing.

But I don't see how Brendan is still in prison.

Also, yeah, fuck this thing being ten hours long. And allow me to once again voice my disdain for the Netflix model. No one needs an entire season of television in one go.
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"Oooooooh a documentary about a crazy legal case!"

Yeah, you dumb motherfuckers. They've been around for a while. This one is no different.

Fuck documentaries.

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