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Old 05-12-2010, 01:59 AM   #61
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I agree about MIB becoming more sympathetic this episode - Lost has done that with a lot of their characters. But in a way, don't you think that Jacob was manipulated and used, too? He was clearly the less bright brother (to put it mildly), and I think the mother preyed on his naiveté and sense of duty.

I thought the two young actors did a great job. And I was right (although it was kind of obvious), that the mystery boy running around the jungle all season is young Jacob.

Beegee, the Adam and Eve cave scene was kind of heavy-handed (as was the scene where ghost Michael revealed that the whispers are trapped spirits), but I suppose they have to cater to all levels of viewers.
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Old 05-12-2010, 02:00 AM   #62
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It looked like they were half nekkid at first, so I was thinking, when the fuck did Kate and Jack get back to the caves and start getting it on?!
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Old 05-12-2010, 02:08 AM   #63
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As far as I'm concerned, MIB can kill everyone left on this show and it would be fine with me. Motherfucker's got a right to be angry.
Oh yeah! I really loved that about tonight actually. Same thing has happened with so many of the characters that started out as the "bad guy" over the last 6 years. (Locke, Ben, Sawyer, Jin)


edit: when I started typing that post VP hadn't posted the same thought yet
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Old 05-12-2010, 02:25 AM   #64
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Beegee, the Adam and Eve cave scene was kind of heavy-handed (as was the scene where ghost Michael revealed that the whispers are trapped spirits), but I suppose they have to cater to all levels of viewers.
I don't agree, not at this point, especially when it isn't something they've done before. If they had to remind the casual viewer of things they might have forgotten it would be a mess. That's not how this show works and it never has been, so why start now? A few weeks ago several people in this thread didn't remember that the limo driver was Minkowski from the freighter. They didn't flash back to several scenes of him sick in bed to remind people.
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Old 05-12-2010, 03:10 AM   #65
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The only rebuttal is that the Adam and Eve thing might be the oldest "mystery" in the show's existence. While it's something that big fans wonder about all the time, I imagine the non-obsessed but steady viewers may have forgotten about it.

Basically, I agree with you though. That "remember THIS?!" device is always tacky.
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Ok this made me LOL

(it starts at 1:00. Connect 4 Million!)

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Old 05-12-2010, 04:13 AM   #67
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Only got to 0:05. I can't bear to look at that fucking toad.
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Just skip to 1:00 then.
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Old 05-12-2010, 07:38 AM   #69
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it's a damn shame cj cregg didn't say "only what you take with you" when asked about what was in the cave. that would have been awesome.
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So the stealing babies thing has been going on for a while on this island.
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I'm still not happy that to illustrate a character's past or change of heart, they show them or turn them into whiny bitches--Richard, Ben, MIB, Jacob, etc. I don't remember this from any early episode, even with Nikki and Paulo.

The boys were decent in the episode last night, but I think Allison Janney, Mark Pellegrino and Titus Welliver were weak. This should have been dramatic, but AJ was just vacant.

Anyway, I'm bitching. I think the 2 long flashback episodes (this and Richard's) were rushed and should have had more time. The blending of the current and of the flashback is a trademark of LOST and abandoning it for time's sake is lame.

Don't get me started on using The Doors' The End for the promo last night. As if we haven't been beaten with the obvious stick enough this season.
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The only time I've ever thought Allison Janney wasn't a good actress. She was phoning it in, or she just didn't believe in the whole thing. Just my impression of it.
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Don't get me started on using The Doors' The End for the promo last night. As if we haven't been beaten with the obvious stick enough this season.
I think someone is a fan of Apocalypse Now(and The Heart of Darkness), cause they've indirectly referenced it twice now in previews, with the "The Horror" preview a few weeks ago and "The End" last night.
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I think someone is a fan of Apocalypse Now(and The Heart of Darkness), cause they've indirectly referenced it twice now in previews, with the "The Horror" preview a few weeks ago and "The End" last night.
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I was generally satisfied. We've known for some time that electromagnetism was going to be the source of everything; they've just attributed some of its mystery to a metaphysical doorway between life and death/life force. This is something that people have speculated about the island for some time anyway. It is a little rushed, but I guess that's the cost of prolonging the ambiguity.

I think the only thing I find disappointing was the MIB being able to conceptualize the Donkey Wheel; no matter how special he is, I don't think he or even Daniel MFing Faraday/Widmore could have arrived at that idea in 43 A.D.

Beyond that, I'm okay. As I said, tying the life-force to the exotic matter seems to me like it was bound to happen in order to explain the apparitions and ghosts. I'm guessing we might get more elaboration on how MIB's soul/spirit was separated from his body/combined with the light, but either way I'm okay.

What I really liked about the show was the undermining of the black/white dichotomy just after we'd been led to believe that MIB was straight up evil. The mommy-issues approach might be a bit trite, but again, we've known it was coming. What I find more interesting is the light this sheds on Jacob's motivations. Despite being the quintessential momma's boy (or in my wife's words, "sissy" and "pussy"), he is still out to prove her wrong. That he snapped and went apeshit on his brother just makes it more personal. He needs to prove the possibility of good in humanity to himself as much as to his brother. It ties him into the show's redemption theme and humanizes what I was concerned would be a simple demigod figure.

My wife, on the other hand, was a bit devastated. I'm content to let this be about characters and relationships, but she wants explanations. I like the explanations; though they're a bit new-agey, at least they're not going the midichlorian route.

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