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Old 05-24-2010, 06:04 PM   #526
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I'm wondering if Sawyer and Kate got together when they made it back to the world.

I'm wondering how the world reacted when Sawyer (a new survivor of flight 815) returned to the world.

Am I the only one that really loved the scene when Kate "woke up" Jack? There was real power to her "I've missed you so much." How long did she live after she got back to the world?
I thought Evangeline Lilly was fantastic in this episode, and showed her post-wake up transformation perhaps better than anyone else in the cast.

I doubt Sawyer and Kate wound up together because then the reunion of Sawyer and Juliet wouldn't have made as much sense.

As for the world's reaction to a new survivor, it would be cool if someone made a fake documentary uncovering the Widmore/Oceanic 6 "conspiracy".
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Old 05-24-2010, 06:07 PM   #527
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How so?
An agnostic is someone who believes that G(g)od(s) exists, but is/are probably unknowable. This series ended by pointing to some higher power/existence, but did not try to give any answers as to which path will get you there (the imagery from multiple religions). I thought it was a very agnostic ending.
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Old 05-24-2010, 06:08 PM   #528
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I'd bend Evangeline over a table AND cuddle with her later.
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Old 05-24-2010, 06:10 PM   #529
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BTW - I thought that Jack's character arc, though more subtle, was absolutely brilliant. I loved his struggle to stay in control only to bend in the end was heart-wrenching. Though my wife would tell you that is because I am an insufferable type-A control freak.
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An agnostic is someone who believes that G(g)od(s) exists, but is/are probably unknowable. This series ended by pointing to some higher power/existence, but did not try to give any answers as to which path will get you there (the imagery from multiple religions). I thought it was a very agnostic ending.
I was under the impression that agnostics just don't give a shit or don't believe the truth about these kinds of things can be proven; they're not vague believers. Atheists are just more adamant about there not being any supreme being.
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I was under the impression that agnostics just don't give a shit or don't believe the truth about these kinds of things can be proven; they're not vague believers. Atheists are just more adamant about there not being any supreme being.
That's why I wanted to clarify definitions. Here's what webster's has to say: Agnostic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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I was under the impression that agnostics just don't give a shit or don't believe the truth about these kinds of things can be proven; they're not vague believers. Atheists are just more adamant about there not being any supreme being.
There are multiple degrees of agnosticism. This would fall under the banner of "agnostic theism"--that is, one doesn't know if a deity exists, but believes that one probably does.
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as one that considers myself an agnostic

I believe the subset of Agnostic theism, includes very few of the people that call themselves agnostic


a bit like Messianic Jews are a subset of the Jewish population
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There are multiple degrees of agnosticism. This would fall under the banner of "agnostic theism"--that is, one doesn't know if a deity exists, but believes that one probably does.

If the whole point of being agnostic is not knowing, your addition of the qualifier "but believes that one probably does (exist)" doesn't make a lot of sense.
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we are in agreement

a theist is a believer

an agnostic is a skeptic


believer = skeptic ??
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An agnostic is someone who believes that G(g)od(s) exists, but is/are probably unknowable. This series ended by pointing to some higher power/existence, but did not try to give any answers as to which path will get you there (the imagery from multiple religions). I thought it was a very agnostic ending.
I lean more toward the agnostic atheism. Not that God is unknowable, but that I've seen or heard no evidence that would lead me to believe that God exists.
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If the whole point of being agnostic is not knowing, your addition of the qualifier "but believes that one probably does (exist)" doesn't make a lot of sense.
Sure it does. Believing that a higher power exists, but not believing that we have the faculty to know or know about it is a perfectly tenable position.
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I lean more toward the agnostic atheism. Not that God is unknowable, but that I've seen or heard no evidence that would lead me to believe that God exists.
So you would have been happier if there would have been a black abyss when Christian opened the door. You're dreary. Dreary I say!
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Sure it does. Believing that a higher power exists, but not believing that we have the faculty to know or know about it is a perfectly tenable position.
I would guess that is probably close to the stance that many people who say they're "spiritual but not religious" take, and while it is by definition a form of agnosticism, it's not the most commonly used defiinition.
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If someone ask my opinion of Astrology


Does when I was born in relationship to heavenly bodies have any effect on my life?


I'd say I seriously doubt it, but is there the remotest possibility?

So I am agnostic on Astrology

that does not mean I believe in it, but we are just unable to comprehend it.
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