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Old 05-11-2010, 10:06 PM   #31
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Ugh, I have even more questions now

But it was very entertaining

Do we put stuff in spoilers for people on the west coast?
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i'm on the west coast, spoil away

/watched it on veetle'd
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:13 PM   #33
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:13 PM   #34
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honestly, the show is good, but i just feel like we're being put on a big con. So tired of "What does this mean?" followed by "If i answer you you'll just have more questions".

Just seems like this season has been thrown together so fast. We had more filler type episodes than any other season...i.e. the fucking temple.

I really hope we get some more answers as to the deal that Jacob and MIB came up with in regards to the "rules".

And is it me, or did we have more commercials than actual show tonight? 5 mins of show, followed by 6 minutes of commercials.

Everything feels rushed and it's too bad again because we wasted 2-3 episodes on the fucking temple people.

Maybe after sleeping on tonight's show will help ease some of the frustration, but right now i feel completely underwhelmed.
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Okay, here goes





























We now know Jacob & MIB's origin story, great. Now what about "mom"? Who is she and how did she come to be the "protector"?

What is MIB's name? Why did they never mention it?

What is that light? It's part of all of us, but mankind will abuse it if we get our hands on it and it turns people into smoke monsters? I have a sinking feeling that will be one of the questions that is "left up to the audience". I don't want it left up to me, I want them to tell me what it is!*

Why is MIB so evil once he turned into the smoke monster and why will there be hell on earth if he leaves? Why was it so important that he and Jacob not leave when they were human?

What was the super energy drink that mom gave Jacob?

*On the other hand, at least we know what was in the Pulp Fiction suitcase now
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:17 PM   #36
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There has to be more revealed about Jacob and MIB rules.
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Who's Hiro? Am I forgetting a character?


different show, different network.. NBC show called Heroes.. He was a character who could freeze time. I was being silly.
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Okay, here goes

1. We now know Jacob & MIB's origin story, great. Now what about "mom"? Who is she and how did she come to be the "protector"?

2. What is MIB's name? Why did they never mention it?

3. What is that light? It's part of all of us, but mankind will abuse it if we get our hands on it and it turns people into smoke monsters? I have a sinking feeling that will be one of the questions that is "left up to the audience". I don't want it left up to me, I want them to tell me what it is!*

4. Why is MIB so evil once he turned into the smoke monster and why will there be hell on earth if he leaves? Why was it so important that he and Jacob not leave when they were human?

5. What was the super energy drink that mom gave Jacob?

*On the other hand, at least we know what was in the Pulp Fiction suitcase now
Here's my take on all of this - I've numbered your questions so I don't have to keep quoting.

1. It wouldn't surprise me if this is never answered, because it's not really that relevant to the story they're trying to tell, or if it's one of those things that is left up to the audience to decide. What I got from it is that it's probably an eternal thing. The mother mentioned that she came from her mother, and I think we're to assume that they're from a long line of island protectors.

2. I'm guessing that he was never given a name? We know his birth mother didn't name him, and they never called him anything all episode long.

3. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if this is left up to us. I'm probably not going to articulate this well, but it seemed like they were trying to say that the light represents humanity - they named "life, death, rebirth." So, the normal cycle of life? It seems that if you protect/revere it from afar, it will continue to provide for you (general you/all of humanity) but if you go into it, it spits out something ugly and evil and corrupt and unnatural. I'll have to think more about this.

4. I don't think they were supposed to leave the island as humans because the mother wanted them to stay to take over her duties, or at least one of them. I think the reason she had to stop MIB is because of the whole going into the light/messing with the light thing I mentioned in #3. Then Jacob went and forced him in anyway, so Jacob essentially created the evil being he is, now. He can't leave the island now, because if he does, what he became, the evil he embodies, will be unleashed on the world. For now, the island contains that.

5. Some sort of special ritual wine, I'm guessing. That looks like the same wine that Richard drank from, and the same bottle that MIB later broke. I wonder what that means in the grand scheme of things.


I think that anyone (not just you Kelly, I mean viewers in general) who is expecting neat, tidy answers will be sorely disappointed. It's never been the kind of show to give us that, and I can't see them starting now. I'm fine with that though, and I think tonight's episode revealed a lot.
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How about, "Why can Jacob sometimes kill his brother, even though it's against the rules, but other times not?" For fuck's sake. Not upset at anybody in thread, mind you. I am just...sad. In the show, in the people surrounding it, and in myself for waiting for this.
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Or how about, "How did the light of...ugh, whatever...get from the island to Marsellus Wallace's briefcase, circa 1994, and then back?" Fuck.
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Oh, I liked the episode. Like I said, very entertaining. I was glued to the tv .

But this whole light thing seems a little too vague. I hope it gets clarified a little or the important thing they are supposed to be protecting is going to seem a little to macguffinish for me.
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I still don't know wtf the smoke is.

MIB goes into lovely light, dies, and smoke monster is released.
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How about, "Why can Jacob sometimes kill his brother, even though it's against the rules, but other times not?" For fuck's sake. Not upset at anybody in thread, mind you. I am just...sad. In the show, in the people surrounding it, and in myself for waiting for this.
Wasn't it the mother who said he couldn't kill his brother? She lied to them about a lot of things.

I'd say though that MIB wasn't killed, per se. His human, physical form seemed to die, but his spirt? essence? lived on and became filed with the evil from being thrown into the light. The mother did say that going in there would result in something worse than death...that must be what she meant.

Also, in other episodes we've seen, he clearly walked around looking like his original physical form. I'd argue that this makes sense - he seems to be able to manifest as any dead person that hasn't been buried, and his original body wasn't buried, it was left in the cave. Therefore, he could come back looking like himself.

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Oh, I liked the episode. Like I said, very entertaining. I was glued to the tv .

But this whole light thing seems a little too vague. I hope it gets clarified a little or the important thing they are supposed to be protecting is going to seem a little to macguffinish for me.
Somewhere in the final few episodes, the surviving Losties are going to be informed of what's going on. Maybe they'll cover it more then?
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:55 PM   #45
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What is truth?

That's the big question I come away with--not who is "good" and who is "evil" but who is telling the truth. I think Jacob is honest, but he's only as truthful as the information he believes.

Could they really not kill each other? I suspect that was a lie. I think the mother told them that so that they wouldn't try and she could have them both until she could see who was to be the next protector. They drink the Powerade or whatever that is, and then they can't be killed by the other. Jacob can't be killed by his brother, but Jacob was able to kill him--sort of. His "spirit" is still out there in the form of the smoke monster and inhabiting whatever dead people he comes across.

I thought both brothers were complicated, interesting characters.

Of course an even bigger question is what truth about life, humanity, God, whatever is Lost espousing. Is this a dark smoke monster view of humanity--that people really are pretty rotten?

Interesting.
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