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Old 02-23-2009, 12:30 PM   #436
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I'm going to repost this blog as it's an excellent source of Lost info. The blog's author, Bigmouth, explains his thoughts on the last episode, and while most of it is highly technical and scientific (and I understand very little of it) it's still is interesting to ponder.

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Old 02-23-2009, 02:08 PM   #437
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When you originally posted the link I started reading it on a regular basis
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:33 PM   #440
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Hm. All in all, I think that it was a good episode, tonight. My only (and sadly kind of major...but not deal-breaking!) complaints were that the narrative and dramatic momentum really ran out, near the end, and that, you know, Locke had no reason to kill himself. I was reminded of what I now call Prequel Syndrome--in Revenge of the Sith, there wasn't any reason, within the diegetic narrative, for Anakin Skywalker to turn to the dark side of the Force and become Darth Vader. The "reason" for his turn was, to the contrary, simply that he had to, because that's what the broader story demanded.

The question: "Why did Anakin turn to the dark side?"

The answer: "Because there has to be a Darth Vader, in the original Star Wars."

Tonight's Lost did not approach that level of poor plotting, but it still felt careless and somewhat underconsidered. I'm not trying to slam it, mind you--I'm just trying to draw parallels, even if they're not 100% accurate.

As for the "twists" at the end, they were nice and appreciated, but also way too heavily telegraphed. The drama got sucked out, because as soon as Ben got involved, it was all just too obvious. I think that a shorter and crisper sequence, while doing even less to convince (rather than show) us that Locke had reason to wanna die, would also have really upped the tension and surprise.

Either way, it was good. And I have absolutely no fucking idea what to make of whatever the fuck is going on, on the island. For the first time in ages, my head is somewhat spun! I like it.

P.S. Where do Hawking's allegiances lie...? She seems to be okay with aiding and abetting Ben, but at the same time seems to be on acceptable terms with Widmore. I am, as I said, "lost."
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Old 02-26-2009, 05:23 AM   #441
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Not much commentary yet on tonight's episode, huh? I really enjoyed this one. I think Terry O'Quinn delivered some nice moments here, and the confrontation between Locke and Linus in the hotel room was especially intense.

"Eloise Hawking. Do you know her?"

"Yes, I know her....
Now I will strangle you to death! AHHHHHHH!"
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Old 02-26-2009, 05:32 AM   #442
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Funny that you mention Star Wars, IYS, because the reveal of Locke with the cloak at the beginning was a total lift from the saga.

My main issue tonight: the only pieces of information Ben got between stopping Locke from killing himself and then doing the job himself were:

1. Jin is still alive
2. He's supposed to find Eloise

Neither of those items seem important enough to cause Ben's change of plan.

And is anyone starting to think that Widmore may be the good guy in this? If all he wanted to do was kill Locke, he certainly had the opportunity before, like when Locke was incapacitated with a compound fracture, maybe?

Both Ben and Widmore seem to have the safety of the island as their prime directive, but it is really difficult to tell who is in the "right", as it were.
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My main issue tonight: the only pieces of information Ben got between stopping Locke from killing himself and then doing the job himself were:

1. Jin is still alive
2. He's supposed to find Eloise

Neither of those items seem important enough to cause Ben's change of plan.


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Perhaps when Locke said he planned to keep his promise to Jin and not try and recruit Sun, that put Ben over the edge cause he knew she had to be lured back as well.
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:26 PM   #444
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I'm pretty sure that Ben was killing him, either way. It's not like he's had too many qualms with doing so, in the recent past. He just had to get some information out of him, before closing the deal.
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:29 PM   #445
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My main issue tonight: the only pieces of information Ben got between stopping Locke from killing himself and then doing the job himself were:

1. Jin is still alive
2. He's supposed to find Eloise

Neither of those items seem important enough to cause Ben's change of plan.

And is anyone starting to think that Widmore may be the good guy in this? If all he wanted to do was kill Locke, he certainly had the opportunity before, like when Locke was incapacitated with a compound fracture, maybe?

Both Ben and Widmore seem to have the safety of the island as their prime directive, but it is really difficult to tell who is in the "right", as it were.
I kind of wondered if the Jin reveal caused Ben to think that that would automatically cause Sun to want to go back - and he did say (I think it was him?) that Locke only needed to convince one to go, and the rest would follow.

I wondered if by killing Locke, Ben was just performing an act that was some sort of destiny. After all, both Alpert and Christian told Locke that he had to die to save the island. Of any of the island insiders, I trust Alpert to tell the truth most of all.

Interesting to note - on Lostpedia, there's an entry that talks about a line of thinking where if anyone says they're Canadian, they're lying. The passport that Widmore gave to Locke last night has his nationality listed as Canadian. Does that mean Widmore lied? (Disclaimer - I'm Canadian, and pretty honest )

Re: the whole Ben vs. Widmore, which one is good and which one is bad thing, last night certainly did seem to make that even more ambiguous. Ben was clearly evil, whereas Widmore seemed good and sincere. I still maintain that it's more complex than that, though, and I still have a feeling that Ben is the good one. Well, good in a relative sense, they're both bad, obviously, and willing to do very bad things to get what they want. But I think that last night, Widmore seemed a little too "good," and that it was misdirection on the part of the show to make us think that.

Which side is Hawking on? Or is she on any side?
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Old 02-27-2009, 01:25 AM   #446
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That story was on AICN, and in the comments underneath I happened to see one titled: "Her Hobbit Hole must be lonely without Merry around."

It made me laugh.
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That is funny. ^
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Interesting to note - on Lostpedia, there's an entry that talks about a line of thinking where if anyone says they're Canadian, they're lying. The passport that Widmore gave to Locke last night has his nationality listed as Canadian. Does that mean Widmore lied? (Disclaimer - I'm Canadian, and pretty honest )

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Not important, but interesting note. One mistake I did notice on that passport is that it was issued from 2007 - 2017. That's impossible as Canadian passports are only valid for 5 years. Any other Canadian passport that 'might' have a longer validity would be the maroon coloured passport, which are diplomatic. Somebody on that show wasn't doing their homework.

One other thing that is cool. The passport issuing office was Vancouver!
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