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Yeah the whole KateJackSawyerJuliet portion made us
And the fade to white was interesting.
And the fade to white was interesting.
"Perfect" would imply that Kate, Jack, Sawyer, and Juliet were all written well, which they weren't. Extremely weak character motivation, they seemed to change their minds so quickly just to serve the demands of the plot.
Despite that, a hell of a lot of fun, but the present-day section is what really had resonance for me.
Yeah, I think I missed something because Kate, Sawyer and Juliet were stopping Jack from planting the bomb. Sawyer fought Jack, Juliet changed her mind and convinced Sawyer to help, but Kate...?
I don't remember when she changed her mind.
"Remember when you held me on NabooRemember when I sewed you up in like one of the first episodes?"
Apparently Jack's coming.Kate changed her mind when she had that little heart to heart with Jack - "Remember when you held me on NabooRemember when I sewed you up in like one of the first episodes?"
Somehow she got LOST in Jack's eyes and fell victim to his charms and changed her mind. Whatever.
Anyways, when Jacob said "They're coming...they're coming..."
Who is coming?
They faded to white! No fade to black. These motherfuckers faded to white.
Literally, anything could happen come January.
I always liked this scene from the beginning, and it definitely comes to mind again after last night's episode
The best part was Juliet's take on "Smile, you son of a bitch!" while detonating the bomb. Jaws = gold.
Also for any OS Star Trek fans, I was reminded of the episode where there are 2 characters named Lazarus, battling each other for eternity. (A matter vs. anti-matter struggle)
That was freaking incredible. This is the theory that makes most sense to me:
The two in the beginning were God and the Devil. I know it seems rather simplistic, but this show has always been about a power struggle and switching sides. We never really know if Ben is good or bad and I think the last five minutes just confirmed that Ben doesn't know what side he's on either.
Locke was saved by God after falling out through a window. I really believe Locke was dead when he landed and Jacob's touch brought him to life. Jacob's interference made everyone get on that plane. I thought Jacob was creep at first, but he's done nothing but improve the lives of everyone he's touched:
Kate - saved her from jail
Sawyer - gave him the pen to finish the note
Jack - the candy bar was a nice touch. after one crap thing after another Jack got what he wanted
Jin/Sun - i wasn't really paying attention to what he said
Hurley - convinced him (and he really did convince him) that he wasn't crazy and that he must return to the island.
I think Ben again picked the wrong side when he decided to kill Locke, he was doing the work of the devil because Locke was very willing to give himself up. The fact that he didn't might just be the reason why...
his body was possessed by the devil. It explains his new attitude which isn't very Locke-like. Locke would never consent to killing everyone on the island and telling Richard about it.
The monster might just be one of the tools of the devil and Ben never really "controlled it" like he thought he did, it was always controlling him. That would mean that the vision he had of Alex telling him to follow Locke's orders really came from the devil himself.
Another thing, how would Locke know the exact day he would be injured and would have to make Richard heal him unless he was omniscient somehow. Locke is the devil, again.
This brings up an interesting scenario because if the bomb really did go off and everyone returns to 2004, Locke would have never died and the body would disappear from the beach.
FUCK THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS.
Again, what about Sayid, did Jacob improve his life by letting him watch his wife run down in the street like a dog?
My thoughts:
Yes, Jacob and (Esau?) are the good and the evil, the god and the satan, the light and the dark. Whatever you want to call them.
The statue is Taweret, Egyptian goddess of mother and childbirth. If she was displeased with the Others, that would explain their fertility problems.
The thing that struck me hardest during the opening scene was this exchange:
Esau: You're still trying to prove me wrong, aren't you?
Jacob: You are wrong.
Esau: Am I? They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same.
Jacob: It only ends once, anything that happens before that... it's just progress.
This brings two things to mind.. first it reminds me of God and Satan talking in the first chapter of the book of Job. Job is an upright, god-fearing man, but Satan speculates that if all the good things in Job's life were destroyed, that he'd curse God. God accepts the challenge, giving Satan permission to mess with Job's life, but forbidding him to kill him. In the end, Job loses his livestock and his children and still doesn't curse God.
In the exchange with Jacob and Esau, Esau's saying that the people who come to the island will always destroy and corrupt, and is trying to prove Jacob wrong for presumably suggesting otherwise... that if he keeps leading people there (and in the flashbacks, we see that he did in fact touch the lives of the people who end up on the island), eventually he'll find the ones that 'get it right' and defy the aggressive human need to conquer.
Of course, being a sci-fi nerd, one other thing comes to mind. The "it always ends the same" thing makes me wonder if Jacob and Esau are eternal witnesses to a repeated time loop. Imagine if the island's history were on repeat. Time goes by, people come, people destroy, and in the end, they blow up the damn place with an H bomb... and then it rewinds and starts over, time goes by, the same people come, circumstances might be different this time, and maybe eventually they won't set off an H bomb and destroy the island. Basically it's Groundhog Day. They can't escape the time loop until they get the circumstances right.
Ok this is intriguing but then who is Richard? Christ?
Two things:
In the opening scene, Jacob was cutting up a red herring on a black rock.
Jacob is played by the rug-pisser from The Big Lebowski.
I don't think the fire kills him, however. I can't remember if he had already fallen over "dead" by the time faux-Locke kicked him in the pit.
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He also looks really pissed off after hearing him say that final message, and then kicks him in.