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Old 07-13-2009, 06:56 PM   #181
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Let me get this straight. You think they're both wrong, but Kate is the only one you call names - factual names - mainly because Beegee and I are offering another perspective (because lord knows, I haven't seen much defending of her on here or elsewhere on the internet), and you think we're absolving her of all blame? Oookay...
so....wouldn't i be doing the same thing you and Beegee are doing then?

i don't see what's wrong with admitting that they both are in the wrong, but absolutely hating Kate at the same time.
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Old 07-13-2009, 07:16 PM   #182
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so....wouldn't i be doing the same thing you and Beegee are doing then?

i don't see what's wrong with admitting that they both are in the wrong, but absolutely hating Kate at the same time.
You missed the point that we're part of a teeny, tiny minority saying "hey, it might not be her, he looks like he's no prize to live with." I can see how two people out of the entire internet defending her could be upsetting to you, though.

You hate Kate, fair enough, but that doesn't make it a fact (your word) that she's a "psychotic, raging bitch."

I see a type-A, control freak personality type, with 8 young kids, who is probably afraid that if she lets her guard down, it'll all descend into chaos. She can also be slightly acerbic at times in her manner of speaking. But raging psychotic bitch? Hardly. Him though, he just gets douchier and douchier.
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Old 07-13-2009, 07:25 PM   #183
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You hate Kate, fair enough, but that doesn't make it a fact (your word) that she's a "psychotic, raging bitch."
i never said it was a fact. i'm just stating my opinion. i have been told that i state very good opinions though.
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i never said it was a fact. i'm just stating my opinion. i have been told that i state very good opinions though.
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i'm just sick of seeing some people absolve Kate from any wrong-doing because she is, in fact, a complete psychotic raging bitch.
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Old 07-13-2009, 08:02 PM   #185
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Old 07-13-2009, 08:16 PM   #187
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“He’s huge,” says the French designer, who may also collaborate with Gosselin on a specialty motorcycle collection. .

i thought it was a slam that Jon is fat! hahaha
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Him though, he just gets douchier and douchier.
I must say that never having seen the show, my opinions have been only what I've seen played out in pop culture media: clips on The Soup, blurbs from tabloids, discussion on various sites.

My original impression was that she was edited and sound-bited into being a raging bitch. My impression now is that the guy is an utter douche.

The reality is very likely somewhere delightfully in between, but you know what? I still don't have much sympathy for either of them. This is the somewhat predictable result of deciding to invite a bunch of cameras and a bazillion pairs of eyes into your lives. Even if the pop culture landscape has exploded quite a bit since they originally signed up for it, surely they could have put a stop to things somewhere along the way. There must have been a contract renegotiation along the way where they could have said "Yeah .... this maybe wasn't the best idea."

If it were just the two of them, I might feel a little bit of sympathy. But the fact that they decided that their entire brood of little darlings (as my child-disliking choir director would call them, to my utter delight) should grow up in the public eye and paraded around as entertainment ... the only ones I feel sorry for are those kids.
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Old 07-13-2009, 08:26 PM   #189
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I must say that never having seen the show, my opinions have been only what I've seen played out in pop culture media: clips on The Soup, blurbs from tabloids, discussion on various sites.

My original impression was that she was edited and sound-bited into being a raging bitch. My impression now is that the guy is an utter douche.

The reality is very likely somewhere delightfully in between, but you know what? I still don't have much sympathy for either of them. This is the somewhat predictable result of deciding to invite a bunch of cameras and a bazillion pairs of eyes into your lives. Even if the pop culture landscape has exploded quite a bit since they originally signed up for it, surely they could have put a stop to things somewhere along the way. There must have been a contract renegotiation along the way where they could have said "Yeah .... this maybe wasn't the best idea."

If it were just the two of them, I might feel a little bit of sympathy. But the fact that they decided that their entire brood of little darlings (as my child-disliking choir director would call them, to my utter delight) should grow up in the public eye and paraded around as entertainment ... the only ones I feel sorry for are those kids.
just got my Madison DVD in the mail. Thank you!


back to the subject, i actually thought they would throw in those random scenes where Kate was being psychotic because the producers maybe had enough of it and felt really bad for Jon. but that's purely speculation on my part.
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Eh, it was probably edited for the same reason that any reality shows are edited: DRAMA.

And wow, that was super fast through the mail. Glad it got there so quickly!
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you know, now that i'm thinking about this, i wonder if Kate every physically abused Jon. or did she just abuse him mentally? i guess we'll never know.
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The reality is very likely somewhere delightfully in between, but you know what? I still don't have much sympathy for either of them. This is the somewhat predictable result of deciding to invite a bunch of cameras and a bazillion pairs of eyes into your lives. Even if the pop culture landscape has exploded quite a bit since they originally signed up for it, surely they could have put a stop to things somewhere along the way. There must have been a contract renegotiation along the way where they could have said "Yeah .... this maybe wasn't the best idea."

If it were just the two of them, I might feel a little bit of sympathy. But the fact that they decided that their entire brood of little darlings (as my child-disliking choir director would call them, to my utter delight) should grow up in the public eye and paraded around as entertainment ... the only ones I feel sorry for are those kids.
I guess the reason I do feel some sympathy toward her is because while I've seen her labelled as a harpy (and much, much worse), passive-aggressiveness is much more subtle and people just aren't recognizing it, in this situation. As a result, the world is piling on Kate, and he's getting a free pass. I'd much rather deal with someone who is directly bitchy than someone who is passive-aggressive.

As for the situation with the show and the kids period, I'm much more neutral on that. I've read that there have been behavioural issues with one of the older daughters, but who is to say that there wouldn't have been anyway? A lot of kids are whiny and moody. On the other hand, the show has provided them with financial security and a lot of opportunities they wouldn't have otherwise had. It's also allowed both parents to be home with them a great deal, a lot more than they would have been had they been working stiffs. I've heard that they only film 3 days a week, so that leaves 4 days of non-intrusion. And from the little I've seen, they do seem like fairly well-adjusted kids so far. I'm sure that they'll be aware some day that their parent's divorce is in the media, but then so are the kids of celebrities. It's painful for kids, period, and I hope they're doing all they can to mitigate that pain. In short, I really have no idea if the negatives of the show will outweigh the positives for the kids, but I don't think it's a given that the kids will be damaged by the show being part of their lives. Either way, I hope they'll come out of this okay, happy, and knowing that both parents love them.
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I can't give an opinion on what I think about the kids as individuals. The only one I've heard mentioned on websites is Maddy, I think, who apparently has quite the flair for adorable drama. I'm speaking generally, knowing only that they're being forced to live their lives on camera and are now public figures to some extent.

They might like it, they might come out just fine, they might think it's the greatest thing ever and it won't have any ill effect on them, it just makes me really uncomfortable.
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