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Old 08-21-2009, 02:04 AM   #46
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WETA did King Kong.

Specific scenes maybe the worst CGI (all things considered) I've ever seen in my life.

Specifically when the dinosaurs and shit come running at them. Fucking silly.
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Old 08-21-2009, 02:11 AM   #47
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There was some super shitty CGI in the prequels too (air taxi scene?). The contrast of the live actors against the CGI backgrounds was quite jarring at times. We should be comparing the best of what each has to offer. I think WETA's best is better than ILM's best at this point.
(I'm a lifetime starwars fan too. When I was 3, my parents asked me what I wanted to be when I got older. My answer was 'Yoda'. It pains me to say Gollum looks better)
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Old 08-21-2009, 02:27 AM   #48
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I actually wish Lucas would have went old school...a mix, at least. Not (more or less) complete green screen. Sure ILM did some great work on the prequels, but I am talking more about uniform visuals across the two trilogies. That shit bugs me, discontinuity.

Not having seen most of the LOTR trilogy I must disqualify myself from that direct comparison, although I have seen that particular Gollum scene, and I must agree it's pretty sweet.

Anyhow, I just wanted to point out how laughable those King Kong sequences were.
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WETA loses some credibility for the fucking ghost army at the end of Return of the King. It's like they ran out of funds on the effects budget and decided to put up some clear pictures on popsicle sticks, running around n' shit.

The background work, especially on Coruscant, is what makes Lucas' digital work astounding. The character work wasn't quite there, and I'm not sure if Cameron's cracked it either, but he's damn close. It's all in the eyes and the mouth when it comes to digital/mo-cap stuff.

Pandora looks like the prequel series' Felucia on acid.
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Coruscant looked great

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WETA loses some credibility for the fucking ghost army at the end of Return of the King. It's like they ran out of funds on the effects budget and decided to put up some clear pictures on popsicle sticks, running around n' shit.
worst...characters....evar.

I thought they nearly ruined the movie. So generic and boring and they didnt fit in at all with the rest of the world.
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Coruscant looked great

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worst...characters....evar.

I thought they nearly ruined the movie. So generic and boring and they didnt fit in at all with the rest of the world.
Those are the sorts of choices that really hold me back from enjoying the LOTR movies. I hate saying, but I find them, with the exception of the battle in Two Towers, to be pretty boring.
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The background work, especially on Coruscant, is what makes Lucas' digital work astounding. The character work wasn't quite there, and I'm not sure if Cameron's cracked it either, but he's damn close.
Coruscant does look pretty sweet. Then again, the matte paintings in the original trilogy were pretty sweet too.
I'm with DMfan though. They needed less green screen. Theres no grittiness in the prequels like there was in the originals. And the scenes inside the Jedi Temple on the long walkway/bridge thing looked fucking horrible.
But the prequels did give us Sebulba. One of the coolest creatures in the series.

As far as Avatar goes, the visuals do look cartoony, especially when they're right next to the real actors. Sometimes early trailers have not-quite-finished CGI, so hopefully they can tighten it up a little before the release. Either way, it looks like it could be a fun movie. I'm looking forward to it
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It's sad that I could talk about Star Wars all fucking day and night.

I am a big LOTR fan, be it the books or the films, but I agree....the fucking ghost army was a big "wtf" for me, smack dab in the middle of some pretty bad-ass action scenes. YLB, we disagree on the films themselves, but, we agree on the worst and best parts, because the battle scenes in The Two Towers is my favorite action sequence as well. Truth be told, though, Fellowship is my favorite of the three, and it's not due to battles or whatnot...I just love how the stage gets set, how the Fellowship is formed, the introduction of these characters that I've loved for a long time are introduced, etc.

Coruscant looks bad-fucking-ass. I've said this before, but if Lucas/ILM made travelogues about fake planets, I'd watch. 2 hours on Kashyyyk? Yes, please.
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Coruscant does look pretty sweet. Then again, the matte paintings in the original trilogy were pretty sweet too.
I'm with DMfan though. They needed less green screen. Theres no grittiness in the prequels like there was in the originals. And the scenes inside the Jedi Temple on the long walkway/bridge thing looked fucking horrible.
But the prequels did give us Sebulba. One of the coolest creatures in the series.

As far as Avatar goes, the visuals do look cartoony, especially when they're right next to the real actors. Sometimes early trailers have not-quite-finished CGI, so hopefully they can tighten it up a little before the release. Either way, it looks like it could be a fun movie. I'm looking forward to it
Mattes by David Fincher, no less. At least on Jedi. If you look at the behind-the-scenes on the Factory sequence from Clones, it's all green screen. I can't imagine how any actor could do a half-way decent job if they don't commit entirely to something that they can't see. It's like acting without a costume, I think.

I feel the same way about Avatar. And who knows how much difference the 3D will make.

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It's sad that I could talk about Star Wars all fucking day and night.

I am a big LOTR fan, be it the books or the films, but I agree....the fucking ghost army was a big "wtf" for me, smack dab in the middle of some pretty bad-ass action scenes. YLB, we disagree on the films themselves, but, we agree on the worst and best parts, because the battle scenes in The Two Towers is my favorite action sequence as well. Truth be told, though, Fellowship is my favorite of the three, and it's not due to battles or whatnot...I just love how the stage gets set, how the Fellowship is formed, the introduction of these characters that I've loved for a long time are introduced, etc.

Coruscant looks bad-fucking-ass. I've said this before, but if Lucas/ILM made travelogues about fake planets, I'd watch. 2 hours on Kashyyyk? Yes, please.
Fellowship is the one I dig from start-to-finish, but I don't love it, you know?

That would be too cool, and things that fans would want, so Lucas wouldn't do it. Or better yet, do it, and fuck it up.
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ILM hasnt produced anything close to the photorealism of Gollum. Just look at the scene when Frodo and Sam first capture him in the direct, harsh sunlight. then have a look at Yoda in any of the prequels; choose your scene. no comparison
Actually, I think Yoda was done better than Gollum in Clones and Sith (a new puppet was used for The Phantom Menace), and ILM didn't have the luxury of motion capturing an actor to do so. Andy Serkis was half of that creation.

It makes ILM's accomplishment even more impressive.

Also, I think Watto is more believable than any digital character found in LOTR. The monsters in the arena battle in Clones are better than any creature work in LOTR.

We should also keep in mind that EVERY Clone Trooper, and EVERY Wookie in Sith (save for the Chewbacca scene) was CGI.
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If you look at the behind-the-scenes on the Factory sequence from Clones, it's all green screen.
The less I see of that scene, the better

I've only been able to watch Clones twice. The only thing that really saves it for me is Yoda pulling out his lightsaber and fucking shit up at the end. What an epic scene. I stayed away from spoilers before seeing that in the theatre, so I was completely blown away. Apart from that, for me, its by far the worst Starwars movie.
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Actually, I think Yoda was done better than Gollum in Clones and Sith (a new puppet was used for The Phantom Menace), and ILM didn't have the luxury of motion capturing an actor to do so. Andy Serkis was half of that creation.

It makes ILM's accomplishment even more impressive.

Also, I think Watto is more believable than any digital character found in LOTR. The monsters in the arena battle in Clones are better than any creature work in LOTR.

We should also keep in mind that EVERY Clone Trooper, and EVERY Wookie in Sith (save for the Chewbacca scene) was CGI.
To be honest, I thought Yoda looked especially shitty in Clones. Theres a scene where they're flying in an open spaceship and the wind is blowing through his hair. The lines and wrinkles in his face looked like textures instead of contours. The lighting on ILM characters always seems slightly off and they have an almost pastel quality to them. Clone troopers are easy because they're so shiny. But the wookies were guys in costume. they were just replicated a whole bunch of times.

Watto was definitely an awesome character and looked amazing, but there was still that sense that he wasnt quite in the scene (though its much less apparent in his case). Gollum just seemed so real and had a weight to him. I'm not talking about his motions, but rather the way he was lit and the way his colour saturation blended so well with the scene.
I have to disagree about the creature scene in Clones. that cat creature looked terrible. Hair is notoriously difficult, but I think Weta pulled it off better with the dog/wolf mounts that the orcs rode on
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We should also keep in mind that EVERY Clone Trooper, and EVERY Wookie in Sith (save for the Chewbacca scene) was CGI.
There's a good chunk of Wookies that are guys in suits. Specifically before the major battle, but hell yeah, that was impressive.

The Geonosis battle deserves massive kudos, but they almost become part of the environment. Not saying that's a bad thing... it's the Christopher Lee/Yoda lightsaber fight on meth that looks really awkward in retrospect.
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The less I see of that scene, the better

I've only been able to watch Clones twice. The only thing that really saves it for me is Yoda pulling out his lightsaber and fucking shit up at the end. What an epic scene. I stayed away from spoilers before seeing that in the theatre, so I was completely blown away. Apart from that, for me, its by far the worst Starwars movie.
Watch Jedi and Clones back to back and guess again.

Jedi: Luke vs. Rancor, Jabba's Skiff Battle, Speeder Bike chase, Luke vs. Vader vs. Palpatine, Death Star space battle (AGAIN), Ewoks/Rebels vs. stormtroopers

Clones: Coruscant night chase, Jango vs. Obi Wan, asteroid field chase (with sonic grenades!), Anakin storms Tusken Raider camp, Anakin/Padme/Obi-Wan vs. monsters, Clones/Jedi vs. Droids/Geonosians/Dooku/Jango, Obi-Wan/Anakin/Yoda vs. Dooku.

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