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Old 08-20-2009, 12:57 PM   #31
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I'm sorry, but that looks pretty lame.

It's a little sad that Cameron doesn't seem to have improved on the Lucas CGI worlds and creatures at all, and in fact they look even LESS realistic.
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Old 08-20-2009, 01:03 PM   #32
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It's just a sci-fi/adventure film at the end of the day, right? So all of the squawking about the CGI will be forgotten if Cameron delivers a great story with some great action. And I have a feeling this will do that. So, yeah, whatever.

Also, the alien girl is really hot. And I don't like it when she cries.
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Old 08-20-2009, 01:07 PM   #33
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I'm sorry, but that looks pretty lame.

It's a little sad that Cameron doesn't seem to have improved on the Lucas CGI worlds and creatures at all, and in fact they look even LESS realistic.
I'm not sure how you can say they look less realistic than the Lucas creations. Well, strike that, maybe you can. I have a lot of problems with this trailer... the way it's cut, how they choose to represent the film world and its creations, etc. I'm not sure about the actual Avatar/Na'vi designs yet. They might have skewed a bit too close to human design, and I think that's what causing most people to recoil initially. I did at first. But the more I watch this and look at the stuff in detail the more impressed I'm becoming. There's some major uncanny valley stuff going on, but I think by the time we're watching a full film it will pass.

I'm glad you brought up the Lucas comparision though, because that's the first thing I thought of. Although I do think it's a great forward evolution of what Lucas accomplished in the prequel films. The fidelity and detail of the environments specifically here is far ahead of Revenge of the Sith, although much in a similar style. And as for the creature designs, as I said, I do think they're a considerable improvement, but there's a lot here that causes one to recoil at first. Which I think will pass. This trailer certainly doesn't do the film any service. It's also hard to say how the advances performance-capture and virtual camera stuff expresses in the film too, because the trailer doesn't offer anything longer than 2-seconds of unbroken footage, which is frustrating. And of course you have shitty quicktime compression to account for.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:40 PM   #34
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I'm sorry, but that looks pretty lame.

It's a little sad that Cameron doesn't seem to have improved on the Lucas CGI worlds and creatures at all, and in fact they look even LESS realistic.
This. 1000 times, this. This looks hilariously bad. Wow. I am floored. Actually lol'd, when those horses started "running."
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Old 08-20-2009, 05:11 PM   #35
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Just further proof that ILM is the gold standard. And I disagree with Lance about the environments featured here. Maybe they are more detailed, but they simply don't look more real than what's in the prequels.
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yes, i, too, thought of the prequels, and felt it looked like Episode 7?

but who knows.

i did note that it was all blue, like every last Cameron film. blue, blue, blue.
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Old 08-20-2009, 07:49 PM   #37
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Just further proof that ILM is the gold standard.
Again, laz knows all. So true. Cannot stand WETA, as a general rule.
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And I disagree with Lance about the environments featured here. Maybe they are more detailed, but they simply don't look more real than what's in the prequels.
Well, not much more to say about this until we get to see the film in full... but yeah, as of now I couldn't disagree more.
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Old 08-20-2009, 08:35 PM   #39
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Wait, WETA did this, not Digital Domain?

Oh god it's gonna be bad.

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What I will say is that while ILM is certainly the gold standard for digital effect work, I do like WETA for how balls-out crazy and ambitious they can be. They usually try things far beyond the currently accepted limits of the art form. Sometimes they fall flat on their faces (see parts of King Kong), but sometimes they succeed astonishingly (see the other parts of King Kong). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe ILM has still attempted anything as massively ambitious as King Kong yet. I mean, while it's a virtue that they almost always execute their projects perfectly, ILM tends to focus on more precise deliberate work. So yeah, ILM > Weta. But I give Weta a lot of credit for their ballsiness, and I'd wager their greatest singular successes still outshine ILMs best work by quite a margin, even if they have to fumble their way through a lot of work to get there.

I can imagine Avatar being one of these cases where the studio overreaches what the technology is quite ready to allow, but I'm sure there will be plenty of highlights throughout the film that show they're still capable of doing the best creative work in town, even if other parts don't quite pay off the risks. And for the record this was a collaboration between Weta and Digital Domain. And I think ILM even had their hands in a few sequences as well.

Also, I think something like District 9 proves that when Weta adopts a more classical ILM strategy to digital effect work, they can absolutely go toe to toe with them at their own game. But personally, I always admire big crazy ambitious creative decisions, even if they don't work out in the end (though I don't expect this of Avatar, given what little we've seen).
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It looks pretty impressive. I remember reading the leaked script years ago after Cameron had stated he wasn't making it - meh - I hope they rewrote it.
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OK, minus having no story or dialog, the first 2/3 is astounding, and the effects throughout are top notch, but the hype that Cameron spun himself that he could never live up to, and the alien character design just might kill it.

Possibly if they toned the blue down it would look less retarded, someone get them that memo in the next few months.

If Sam Worthington's name had been mentioned in the marketing for this or for Terminator Salvation, he'd have become one of the world's biggest stars already, even if both ended up as disappointments.

I think someone summed this movie's possible fate up nicely on another board: 'Is Avatar the Segway of filmmaking?"
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Oh and from what I've read, other companies did the bulk of the effects on District 9, people are throwing their accolades at WETA simply because of Peter Jackson's connection. It seems WETA did some work, but not a lot.

Vancouver visual effects studios manufacture District 9's alien look
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Old 08-20-2009, 10:45 PM   #44
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Also, this is hilarious:

YouTube - JAMES CAMERON'S AVATAR - OFFICIAL TRAILER (2009)

And the awesome thing is it kind of predicted people's reactions to the second half of the trailer, well before it actually came out.
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ILM hasnt produced anything close to the photorealism of Gollum. Just look at the scene when Frodo and Sam first capture him in the direct, harsh sunlight. then have a look at Yoda in any of the prequels; choose your scene. no comparison
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