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Old 05-23-2008, 04:02 PM   #661
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I saw it

looked really good, the cinematography caught my eye


also, the score was impressive.

But, sometimes, the trailer and film are not the same
Well based on Fincher's track record, and that of Eric Roth, who wrote the script (some have said this is his best one to date), I feel VERY confident about it.
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Old 05-23-2008, 04:17 PM   #662
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I think it will be good, too

when I wrote the trailer and film are not always the same
I was thinking about the score (music)
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8K votes on IMDB and it currently has 8.1/10
Where do you think it will end up?

Return of the Jedi 8.3 #107 all time (155K votes)
The Last Crusade 8.3, #108 all time (120K votes)
Revenge of the Sith 7.9 (136K votes)
Temple of Doom 7.4 (76K votes)
Attack of the Clones 6.8 (122K votes)
Phantom Menace 6.4 (151K votes)

FYI, Empire is #8, Star Wars is #11 and Raiders is #17 all time.

If memory serves, Attack of the Clones was somewhere in that 8.0 range before it started to take a beating. Do negative fans tend to seek out voting for films they were let down by or do the fanboys cancel them out?

I've got to think if it can stay in the 7's, it's a success, regardless of box office. Granted, IMDB user ratings aren't gospel and are quite fickle at ttimes but when you have that many votes, you start to see a pretty good consensus.

Understand, I know it's an essentially meaningless rating but it has to say something about fan reception.
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I see it going in the 7.1-7.5 range and settling near Temple of Doom.
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but, don't get your expectations up too high
I'm only expecting to be thoroughly entertained. I'm not going in expecting the best picture ever, much less the best Indy picture ever.

I don't care. I'm just glad to hear it's getting generally good reviews and doesn't appear to be a big, stinking pile of poo.
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Just got back.

Slightly better than I expected, but I expected it to be pretty awful. I had fun nonetheless.

David Koepp is still a fucking atrocious writer though, and definitely the film's biggest liability. Honestly, why the hell does Spielberg keep using his stuff? Far too many lame in-jokes, weak dialogue, lousy pacing, all his fault, though overall the film is still better than Temple of Doom.

CGI is a problem too, though it isn't nearly as obtrusive as early trailers lead me to believe. Why its used, it's typically pretty poor though, which is unusual for ILM. It just doesn't fit the type of film they set out to make I think. There were plenty of times when CGI was used to create something that could have been done with visual effects to a likely better result. There's a particularly horrendous running theme of CGI animals in the film that just screams unnecessary and show-offish, gophers anyone?

As a whole, the first half is remarkably weaker than the second half, when the film picks up, loses some of its extra camp and starts to feel like Indy again. But seriously, the whole Area 51 segment was pretty eye-rolling, even for an Indy flick. Still, like I said, it's an ultimately enjoyable romp, though likely to finish as one of this summer's weaker offerings.
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Just watched Temple of Doom again tonight and I still have the same feelings toward it. It's got the best action set pieces in one film of the whole series, but the rest is either mehtastic or plain awful. Kate Capshaw wasn't as terrible as I remembered... it's more of a fault in the writing/conceptualization of the character than anything.

Ultimately, the reasons behind the "journey" in this movie just aren't that compelling. I mean, you don't want to see him fight the Nazis every time, but looking to find magic stones for some Indian village and facing a less than menacing villain? The only way this works is that it's an Indiana Jones movie, the title is apt - Indiana Jones AND the Temple of Doom.

Why Lucas and Spielberg agreed to re-title Raiders w/ "Indiana Jones and the" in it makes perfect sense (for re-releases, etc...), I just don't like it. Raiders is one of the best, if not the best, action/adventure films ever made with an iconic character. The sequels rely on the character and base the story off of him, not the other way around, you know?

Not that I'm trying to knock these movies at all, they're hella entertaining. I loved Last Crusade more when I was younger for its comedy before I appreciated the finer aspects of Raiders. Apart from Brody becoming retarded since the first (probably because they didn't need the "fatherly" presence with Connery in the mix), it's entertaining, compelling, and full-on kickass. It's not in the same league as Raiders, and there's nothing wrong with it.

Most reviews I've read say it's in line with the sequels, which is totally fine by me... Doctah Jones!
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Just got back.

Slightly better than I expected, but I expected it to be pretty awful. I had fun nonetheless.

David Koepp is still a fucking atrocious writer though, and definitely the film's biggest liability. Honestly, why the hell does Spielberg keep using his stuff? Far too many lame in-jokes, weak dialogue, lousy pacing, all his fault, though overall the film is still better than Temple of Doom.

CGI is a problem too, though it isn't nearly as obtrusive as early trailers lead me to believe. Why its used, it's typically pretty poor though, which is unusual for ILM. It just doesn't fit the type of film they set out to make I think. There were plenty of times when CGI was used to create something that could have been done with visual effects to a likely better result. There's a particularly horrendous running theme of CGI animals in the film that just screams unnecessary and show-offish, gophers anyone?

As a whole, the first half is remarkably weaker than the second half, when the film picks up, loses some of its extra camp and starts to feel like Indy again. But seriously, the whole Area 51 segment was pretty eye-rolling, even for an Indy flick. Still, like I said, it's an ultimately enjoyable romp, though likely to finish as one of this summer's weaker offerings.
good review
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Just got back.

Slightly better than I expected, but I expected it to be pretty awful. I had fun nonetheless.

David Koepp is still a fucking atrocious writer though, and definitely the film's biggest liability. Honestly, why the hell does Spielberg keep using his stuff? Far too many lame in-jokes, weak dialogue, lousy pacing, all his fault, though overall the film is still better than Temple of Doom.

CGI is a problem too, though it isn't nearly as obtrusive as early trailers lead me to believe. Why its used, it's typically pretty poor though, which is unusual for ILM. It just doesn't fit the type of film they set out to make I think. There were plenty of times when CGI was used to create something that could have been done with visual effects to a likely better result. There's a particularly horrendous running theme of CGI animals in the film that just screams unnecessary and show-offish, gophers anyone?

As a whole, the first half is remarkably weaker than the second half, when the film picks up, loses some of its extra camp and starts to feel like Indy again. But seriously, the whole Area 51 segment was pretty eye-rolling, even for an Indy flick. Still, like I said, it's an ultimately enjoyable romp, though likely to finish as one of this summer's weaker offerings.
LanceMc, I have a question. What did you think of the CGI?

I was disappointed that you didn't include your evaluation of the CGI in your review.
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Clearly GAF is still drunk.

I'm on the way to see this now. If I don't get a Benjamin Button trailer, this will be getting a HUGE pan from me.
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Spoilers follow. Though I question your intelligence if you're still reading this thread at this point without seeing the film


Just got back. Well, I had fun. And I know this is going to be the most obvious comment imaginable from me, but I'm amazed that people who are so critical of the Star Wars prequels, particularly The Phantom Menace, are giving this one a free pass. While there's nothing that sticks out as badly (or for as long) as Jar Jar, there are enough many bad choices and cringe-inducing moments to make this just as uneven an enterprise. I mean, people want to point to one fart joke over and over again, and yet that shit with the prairie dogs ain't no thing? Even going so far as to pay homage to the shot from The Phantom Menace when the pods race by the exclaiming Jawa? Come on.

Also, Shia swinging on the vines? And on top of that, with a friendly tribe of monkeys? The endless pratfalls that cried out for a "BOING!" sound effect each time? Surviving an atomic bomb blast by hiding in a fucking REFRIGERATOR (which magically stays closed)?! Folks, I'm seeing a whole lot of hypocrisy here. The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles had more dignity.

And while I'm sure Lucas is responsible for a good portion of some of this idiocy, the actual concept behind the film is one that I like. Much research has been done by archeologists on possible alien connections to ancient Central/South American civilizations, and I think it fits in perfectly with what Indy has encountered before.

Unfortunately, the climax is just a sad emulation of the one at the end of Raiders. Giant vortex opens, sucks all the bad guys into space, the power flows into the main baddie (Spalko=Belloq), and obliterates her after bestowing the ultimate knowledge. That's just lazy. And while I liked the idea of the temple collapsing into a spaceship that takes off, it certainly isn't anything we haven't already seen in The X-Files.

Which is part of the problem. Because of the 20 year wait between films, we've seen varying degrees of pale imitations like National Treasure, Tomb Raider, The Mummy, and we've just seen so much of this before. Secret codes, exotic locales, traps, stones moving into strange configurations, etc. While Spielberg handles this stuff better than anyone else can, for me it was unimpressive in the imagination department. While this didn't have the absolute lows that are found in each Star Wars prequel, its highs didn't even come close to wowing me like the podrace, the underwater city, the lightsabre fights, etc. It also doesn't help that the film's central setpiece, an ENDLESS car chase through the jungle, just seems interested in one-upping the one from Raiders. Jumping back and forth 15 times from truck to truck just doesn't do much for me, personally, even with a swordfight in the middle. And just when you think its over, it turns into an amusement park water ride, which strains even the most forgiving suspension of disbelief.

What worked for me were the moments of downtime, the fleshing out of Indy's world. The intro (up until the aforementioned fridge moment--couldn't he have hotwired one of those cars and driven out?), the classroom, talking with Broadbent, the diner with Mutt, the race through Cambridge, the train station, the trip on the plane, etc. The domestic stuff later in the film was a bit obvious with its generic squabbling, and Karen Allen returning is better on paper than as realized. Wasn't she pretty much driving that car/boat for the last hour of the film? They should have all paid a fare and tip at the end of that ride.

And LaBoof wasn't bad or inconsistent, in the way that Hayden Christiansen is in his Lucas collaborations. But he's a bit of a blank slate to me. There's no twinkle in his eye like Ford has at his best, or even River Phoenix had in the third film. I don't know exactly who out of today's crop I would have cast (James Franco?) , but imagine what a young Leonardo DiCaprio would have done with this thing. He would have played the greaser easily, has the underlying intelligence to be believable in contributing to the mystery, and would have been a lot more watchable. Is anyone really interested in a Shia-starring sequel with Ford in the Connery role? Not me.

Ultimately, I left the theatre on a happy note, as I loved that final moment with Ford taking the hat out of Shia's hands, and walking out defiantly into the arms of domesticity. It seemed the perfect chord to stike at what is hopefully the end of this series.
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The CGI animals nearly killed it for me. And the refrigerator gag. Both up there with the very worst the franchise has ever seen. I really enjoyed the second half of the film though, jungle chase included.
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Also, Shia swinging on the vines? And on top of that, with a friendly tribe of monkeys? The endless pratfalls that cried out for a "BOING!" sound effect each time? Surviving an atomic bomb blast by hiding in a fucking REFRIGERATOR (which magically stays closed)?!
Yeah, those two parts made me roll my eyes and fear what the movie was headed towards.
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The figures for the Thursday debut of ‘Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull’ have been made public, and producers might not be very happy about them.

The first day of screening closed at $25 million, and puts the movie on the fourth place of Thursday debuts, after ‘Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith,’ ‘The Matrix Reloaded’ and yet another George Lucas movie, ‘Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the clones.’

The movie that brings the more than 20 years old saga back to life was supposed to bring about 5 million moviegoers to cinema theatres in the first day of its release and to cash in about $50 million. But this was not the case.
I think I said it would fall short of expectations.



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well, I just got back from seeing it.. I thoroughly enjoyed it and not going in thinking it was a Oscar winning film. My son totally dug it.
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