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Old 07-18-2010, 06:47 PM   #91
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I haven't looked at any spoliers.
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Old 07-18-2010, 06:47 PM   #92
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DeVito's Penguin goes farther than silly entertainment and I'd go as far as to say that he provides the emotional center of the film; that's the fundamental flaw with Burton's set, but at least Returns positions all of the villains to serve as foils to the different personas of Bruce Wayne. Plus, it's as transformative a performance as Ledger's, which most people seem to gloss over.

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I sincerely doubt that I'll ever enjoy a villain's portrayal in this genre more than Ledger's. I still find his scenes mesmerizing.

Agreed on the Cox > Hopkins comment.
Absolutely.

Laz has been championing Cox > Hopkins for a while. After seeing Manhunter twice, I'd agree as well.
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Old 07-18-2010, 07:04 PM   #93
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I am usually on the same wavelength as you, Basterd, but I have trouble agreeing about the Penguin. I agree with some of what you're saying, but when I've rewatched the film I've found myself annoyed with him sometimes, most noticeably when he's controlling the Batmobile for a little while. Maybe it's a function of some of his lines, I don't know, but that scene makes me cringe, and not in the intended way.

I will agree, though, that he goes much farther overall than silly entertainment and is not strictly some ridiculous 2-dimensional bad guy.
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Old 07-18-2010, 07:07 PM   #94
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I'd agree with that. The biggest fault of Returns is the Waters/Burton script and how it tries to incorporate some of the tongue-in-cheek humor and campiness of the '60s series and mesh it with the expressionistic and more somber tone inherent to the story.
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Inception is the Coldplay of 2010 films starring Leonardo Dicaprio.
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It's that bad?
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It's that bad?
Ha, no. I'm just fuckin around. That sentence popped into my head and I liked it, so I thought I'd type it.
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pheww

I am going to see it on Tuesday night and I want to layoff all reviews and comments (Yet, I'm still here looking at the thread) to try to keep it on the DL with the expectations
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Old 07-18-2010, 08:16 PM   #99
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The Departed is a better Leo film

and The Dark Knight is a better Nolan film

so with that, your expectations can be put in their proper place
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Knight is Nolans best film. IMO.
Did you see Memento?
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Old 07-18-2010, 08:33 PM   #101
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This is Nolan's best film from an artistic standpoint and if you want to apply the auteur theory over it, too.

Anytime you can be the arbiter of taste and expectations is a great time, Deep.
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I just watched Memento (most of it) on cable last week

I saw it at the theater when it first came out, liked it a lot

I think about it sometimes,
well, when I watched it again, it was a little different, still very good. I guess I had some false memories, you don't want me picking out someone in a line up.

Memento is different, in that it is a small film with a small budget and great execution.

I do think Inception is very good, probably about an 8 to 8.5 for me.

There are four films playing now with a 150-160 million budget, this is the best one.
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From an emotionalm standpoint I would put it on par with TDK and BB, but I would rank Memento and Insomnia higher there, it is far and away his most accomplished auctioneer thigh, and the best direction of an ensemble (although most of thismcast can make the most if even the lamest if material). That said it is definitely his most entertaining film to date.
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Laz has been championing Cox > Hopkins for a while. After seeing Manhunter twice, I'd agree as well.
Yay! I love this board, I honestly expected that preference to be incendiary, as it usually is. Laz, you prefer Cox' performance as well??
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