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Old 12-02-2011, 02:53 PM   #16
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l LOVE THIS SHOW.
are you all caught up with the episodes, now?
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Old 12-02-2011, 02:59 PM   #17
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Oh yeah. I only last night realized I hadn't posted since I started watching it. I was caught up a chunk of episodes ago.
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I'm liking it pretty much
I can't say for sure it is the best new series this year

safe to say, it is in my top five.
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Old 12-02-2011, 10:16 PM   #19
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I'd slide it into my Top 5 dramas, but Game of Thrones has to take home the trophy for Best New Show of 2011.

I'd probably rank 'em...

1. Breaking Bad
2. Mad Men
3. Game of Thrones
4. Homeland
5. Boardwalk Empire


And I'd round out a Top Ten with 30 Rock, Doctor Who, Louie, Treme....and, god forbid, The Killing.
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I think they kind of did that in the last episode,
He woke up, was given a bath and some care and next thing you know he's bowing to the east praying. Like, come on.
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He woke up, was given a bath and some care and next thing you know he's bowing to the east praying. Like, come on.
I don't think they were implying he immediately converted to Islam at that moment. I thought that had happened sooner.

Also, I don't think you can say whether that's realistic or not until you've been kept captive and tortured for years.

I don't think it's a stretch for someone in a situation like that to cling to whatever small comfort they find (or are presented with), whether that's religion, or someone showing an act of kindness.
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no, he was only held captive for about 3 hours total,

that's all they showed
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Hah hah deep.

Youve been held captive and tortured for years on end by radical Muslims. A seemingly moderate Muslim (moderate: hes quiet, patient to a degree and isnt necessarily kicking the shit out of you every 3 hrs) takes you in and gives you breakfast...hell yah, time to find comfort in Islam!
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I don't find it that ridiculous at all that someone would find comfort in religion in such a dark situation, and if Islam is the religion that's presented to you, it makes sense to me that one might try it out and see if it helps them.

I don't see why that's so unbelievable.

Anyway, I don't care if people don't think it's the greatest show on TV, but I'd prefer to discuss it with people who are actually enjoying it.
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Ok, fine, but this past episode was supposed to be giving us some insight as to the rationale for his newfound faith (and allegiance?), so Im talking to that.

I guess I dont need to reiterate that I find it beyond believable that an atheist or agnostic who suffers for years at the hands of so-called believers would at any point, much less the rather accelerated way they present it (and I realize its not a straight timeline), be finding comfort in, gravitating to or even sympathizing with, the religion of his captors. People who are unbelievers find even more to dislike and pull even further away after experiences like that, not convert to it!

Like I said before, they'd sooner sell me on a politics/disillusionment with US foreign policy angle alone than this notion that he'd be finding his comfort in religion.
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I am with Cori, I think they set it up enough (without going back and listing a blow by blow from each episode),
we have had glimpses here and there for it to not be total shit writing, like The Killing or the last season of Lost.
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This past episode, I thought, was more about why he might have had reason to turn, not about the religion bits. He became close to the boy, the boy was killed by a bomb, etc etc etc.

But that said, I'm not 100% that the kid WAS what's-his-name's son. Although that would be a pretty elaborate set-up, to have Brody teach and grow close to a random kid in the hope that eventually said child would be blown up by an inevitable US bombing, and huzzah, now we've turned an American soldier.

So maybe I'm reaching there.

Also, I didn't recall that there was dialogue or anything pointing to Brody being an agnostic/atheist, so obviously if that IS the case and I'd just forgotten, then yeah, it's a bit harder to believe. But I still don't think it's such a huge stretch. I don't know that I can say definitively it would never happen, seeing as how I've never been held prisoner and tortured for eight years.
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Cori: there was a scene after he came home where the family was shocked that he wanted to pray for dinner. His wife also mentioned it later. I called him either atheist or agnostic but safe to say at minimum unbeliever. Also, before the bombing he was already pretty immersed in the religion..praying etc..when the boy was killed he knew how to conduct the rituals even. To be honest if they were trying to imply that the boy's death was the turning point they're doing a rather sloppy job of it.

Deep: I fully get that they are trying to set up this explanation. And thats what it feels like..more a series of hints so we are expected to understand, than a natural story line..even if fictional.
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I forgot about Downton Abbey when I tried plotting where Homeland stands amongst the best shows. That show is phenomenal in every way and slightly better than Homeland. Technically a new show as well since it didn't premiere in the United States until this year.
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