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Old 07-07-2009, 09:08 PM   #106
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The statement appears to be trying to rebut something I said. And I didn't try to draw that conclusion. You're cherry picking, and it's frustrating.
perhaps i should've put 'budding pedophile'

I was editing me other post when you posted. please read that if you want to continue the discussion because I'm too lazy to write it out again (just incase you didnt see it since we started a new page)
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Holy crap! Look at what I started. I checked this thread this morning and only had 8 replies, I come from work a few hours later and its 100+ replies. Just read the first few pages seems like a lot of trolls around. Regardless of what anyone says I know what I feel about this whole MJ thing so well thats all that matters. I don't give a damm about the trolls or that asswhipe called peter king
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It's interesting to me the amount of people who have absolutely no idea what actually constitutes a troll on a message board.
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I'd really like to get Peter King's spin on the untimely passing of Jeff Goldblum.
Well, I can give you Jeff Goldblum's spin on the untimely passing of Jeff Goldblum.

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Riiiiiight. So if people disagree with you, they're either uneducated or ignoring things! Gotcha! That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for your open-mindedness on the issue.
You're not disagreeing with me if your willfully ignoring what the facts are. You don't have to agree with me, but I can only assume what you know based on the few comments you've made. Those comments sound like something someone who doesn't know all the facts surrounding the case would say.

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I understand that the verdicts do not always match the reality, for a variety of reasons, and that was my point in bringing up OJ.
OJ is completely irrelevant. The chain of evidence for OJ was huge. There was no credible evidence against MJ, period. Just the inconsistent ramblings of proven pathological liars and opportunists. You seem to think the prosecution didn't do it's damndest to try and get a conviction. The police also. And in all that, they couldn't get any decent evidence. There was overwhelming evidence against OJ. And, notably, his victims' families didn't take a settlement or back out of going to civil court. He was found responsible for her death. Period. He got off in criminal court on a technicality basically. MJ didn't get off on a technicality, there was nothing there to begin with.


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I'm not criticizing him for hiring great attorneys, I'm simply stating that you see more people of high power get away with things because they can hire great attorneys.
So because OJ got off with a high powered attorney, every celebrity that gets charged and acquitted is necessarily guilty? That's an incredibly illogical leap. OJ didn't get away with anything, really, he was just spared jail time.

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In the court of public opinion, the guy is guilty.
The general consensus I'm hearing is that while people were shocked or disturbed at the charges, they were relieved to find out they weren't believable.

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Add the fact that he was in possession of pornography (regardless of whether it was gay, straight, or with kids), which removes the whole notion that he was some kind of sexless Peter Pan who didn't even have impure thoughts , and that is someone with a serious psychological problem.

Whether he actually did anything about it is really a side issue; he may not have been a criminal but he's someone who had no business being a parent, a babysitter, a role model, or worthy of the kind of obnoxious, obtuse praise that we've been seeing since his death.
Who said he was a sexless Peter Pan? I didn't. Maybe sex to him was the hetero pornography he owned. That makes him unfit as a parent or babysitter? Please.


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In all seriousness though, I dont disagree that sleeping with someone elses children is weird and I wouldnt be caught anywhere near a bed with anyone elses kids, but that doenst make the guy a pedophile.
See...there's a bit of an issue there. What are these people thinking of when they send their children to his house for a sleepover? Let's be real, MJs bedroom is probably huge so whether or not they were asleep in the same room after having a pajama party or whatever is kindof semantics. But what parent is letting their kid go over there for a pajama party anyways!? I said it before and I'll say it again: much as I admire and respect Bono, if Bono himself called and asked if my kids wanted to come sleep over, the answer would be no. I just don't believe in that sort of thing.

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That doesn't mean he wasn't sick in the head. Him talking about it so matter-of-factly just shows how unstable his mind was.
Well noone said he was completely all there. Does that make him a criminal or make his off-stage contribution to this world any less valuable? No.

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Yes, I have made up my mind. But you're telling me a guy who has pornography and nude pictures of kids who likes to sleep with them has a non-sexual fixation? What more evidence do you need, besides the act of molestation itself? It might not be enough to put him in jail, but it's certainly enough to convict you in, as YLB said, the court of public opinion.

My larger point, because the legal aspect is really the least important, is that a guy with these issues and habits shouldn't be considered a role model. He should not be a legal guardian of minors. He shouldn't be left alone with other minors. Would you let your kid around someone like that, or want them emulating him?
Well obviously we wouldn't, and that's where the huge problem is. All these kids parents...they all let their kids go there - what the hell? Ok fine, they trusted him. Well so did tens of other kids who said that not only did nothing ever go on with them, they never even saw or felt any hint of it.

And yes, I expect real evidence of child molestation to convict someone of child molestation. Not someone who's willing to sell their child's dignity and soul for a dollar, not for any price.
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It's interesting to me the amount of people who have absolutely no idea what actually constitutes a troll on a message board.
We're learning, thanks to your exemplary lead!
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I just saw the Coldplay iTunes commercial last night. What a fucking hoot. I sat there in a daze for about the first 10 seconds and then my body spontaneously leaped up off the couch, my arms flailed high and out of my mouth came, completely in tune and time with whatever the fuck was coming out of Martin's yap:

"I WANT TO BE BAAAANNNNOOOOOOOO, BAAAANNNNOOOO, BAAAANNNOOOOOO." (repeat)

You're a joke and you have no credibility.
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Keep the personal beefs out of this thread.
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You're still sore about that, huh? Poor thing.
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You're not disagreeing with me if your willfully ignoring what the facts are. You don't have to agree with me, but I can only assume what you know based on the few comments you've made. Those comments sound like something someone who doesn't know all the facts surrounding the case would say.



OJ is completely irrelevant. The chain of evidence for OJ was huge. There was no credible evidence against MJ, period. Just the inconsistent ramblings of proven pathological liars and opportunists. You seem to think the prosecution didn't do it's damndest to try and get a conviction. The police also. And in all that, they couldn't get any decent evidence. There was overwhelming evidence against OJ. And, notably, his victims' families didn't take a settlement or back out of going to civil court. He was found responsible for her death. Period. He got off in criminal court on a technicality basically. MJ didn't get off on a technicality, there was nothing there to begin with.




So because OJ got off with a high powered attorney, every celebrity that gets charged and acquitted is necessarily guilty? That's an incredibly illogical leap. OJ didn't get away with anything, really, he was just spared jail time.
You miss the point with OJ. I'm not comparing the actual amounts of evidence or the fact that OJ was found guilty in civil court. In fact, the civil court thing is the only thing that's irrelevant. I'm saying that OJ was guilty and was found not guilty in criminal court.

You seem to have a ton of faith in the justice system. I don't share that faith.

And your insistence that the only way to view MJ as a creep is to be ignorant is laughable and is utter bullshit.
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And your insistence that the only way to view MJ as a creep is to be ignorant is laughable and is utter bullshit.
No, your insistence at arguing semantics and not the actual facts is what's laughable and utter bullshit.

Ain't opinion grand?
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You're still sore about that, huh? Poor thing.
How can you condemn "trolling" of a thread about a piece of shit pedophile (yes, some of us still think he's guilty) after executing a more true definition of trolling in a thread about a band that is admittedly extremely divisive solely on merit of their image and sound?

Seriously man. I'm not sore about it. I remember it as one of the most spectacularly unfunny moments in Interference history and cite it as such. It's just an example of what a fucking lame piece of shit you are.
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It's just an example of what a fucking lame piece of shit you are.
OMG you win the thread!

Feel better now, big man?
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It's just an example of what a fucking lame piece of shit you are.
c'mon man. thats not cool
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No, your insistence at arguing semantics and not the actual facts is what's laughable and utter bullshit.

Ain't opinion grand?
I'm not at all arguing semantics. You just have a shocking amount of trust in our legal system.
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