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Old 07-07-2009, 05:56 PM   #31
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It was Billie Jean that M J used to introduce the moonwalk.
Which Bill Bailey introduced long before Jackson.
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But are the post-Jones era songs superior to those Jones had an enormous hand in?
no. though some came close. You could say Bad was a falloff from Thriller and Jones had a huge role in that too. I just dont think its fair to think that Jackson didnt have as much to do with the awesomeness of Thriller as Jones did. They were a great team and hit upon something special together
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Hey, just because he didn't touch you as a child like Jackson touched so many, there's no reason to make fun of the honest feelings I have toward my butcher's produce.
I actually feel kinda sorry for trolls like you. Not enough to feed you, though.
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Which Bill Bailey introduced long before Jackson.
Show me anything 'new' and I will show you something similar in the past. Its still one of the most (if not THE most) iconic moments in music ever. full stop
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There's no basis for not loving MJ for more than just the music, he's done way more for this world than you likely ever will.
That's quite the overstatement.
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Anyway, there is most certainly enough factual evidence to point to Jackson being a real fucking creep, even if you agree with the results of both trials, so I have no issue with this guy's statements.
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That's quite the overstatement.
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Cite the proven evidence of him being a real fucking creep. Make sure you have your facts straight, please.
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Quit trolling the thread, Phillyfan26.
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no. though some came close. You could say Bad was a falloff from Thriller and Jones had a huge role in that too. I just dont think its fair to think that Jackson didnt have as much to do with the awesomeness of Thriller as Jones did. They were a great team and hit upon something special together
Personally, I've long felt Jackson's output in the '90s was bloated, ego-driven garbage with overly sentimental lyrics that would have made even a writer of Hallmark Cards cringe. Sure, some of his '80s work could have done with a trim here and there, but nothing like his later crimes to pop. I think Jones really helped keep his messiah complex in check which greatly benefited the end product.

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Agreed.
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That's quite the overstatement.
Thank you, that was my reaction. (Well, it was between that and slapnutz' reaction.)

Not to discount the many good things he did, but the first part of that statement was absolutely ridiculous. Like anyone who just likes him for his music is somehow defective as a human being.

No basis - pfft.
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I'm not sure disagreeing with a thread's original post automatically qualifies as "trolling".

Sheesh... this place sometimes.
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I'm not sure disagreeing with a thread's original post automatically qualifies as "trolling".

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Personally, I've long felt Jackson's output in the '90s was bloated, ego-driven garbage with overly sentimental lyrics that would have made even a writer of Hallmark Cards cringe. Sure, some of his '80s work could have done with a trim here and there, but nothing like his later crimes to pop. I think Jones really helped keep his messiah complex in check which greatly benefited the end product.


Agreed.
I'd be lying if I said his post 80s stuff is as good as the stuff before, but I think Dangerous was a solid album in its own right. I agree about the overly sentimental stuff, though I wouldnt say it was garbage, but there seemed to always be some gems in there too. I always hoped he'd release another album that would blow everyone away.
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Sorry Cori, it didn't mean that at all, and it was in response to someone telling us that we should love MJ for the music only. There was no implication that people couldn't just like the music if they wanted on my part, but the overstatement was clear on the other poster's part that there is nothing to love about MJ as a human being BUT the music.

I'll repeat it a different way: there no factual basis to tell someone they should only love MJ for his music and not the many other good things he did/brought to this world.

If anyone can list the facts as they were heard and proven, I'll be all ears. I've done quite a bit of re-looking into all this stuff, actually, as showing support for a proven child molester is a rather irreconcilable position, being a parent.
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Sheesh... this place sometimes.
Nice spin, but my trolling comment comes at someone who makes a tasteless joke out of someone else's death and then repeats it with a personal jab. That's trolling.
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