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Old 09-17-2008, 06:38 AM   #1
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Fringe by J.J. Abrams, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman

Anyone seen the new show by J.J. Abrams, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, the latter two of whom wrote the insult to intelligence that was The Transformers by actually devising a story worse than the 1984 cartoon?

I think it's typical Abrams derivative fluff. I thought the snow the in the pilot looked very realistically stormy, and I'd much rather watch this than most of network TV, but that's the best I can say about it. That and the fact Darin Morgan is a producer, which means he could write a story and he did amazing and unique work on The X-Files and Millennium and I don't think he's had a story get to the television stage in a decade. So, I'll definitely check his episode(s) out!

It's so self-consciously cool like those convenient light-hearted moments in "Lost" or those convenient all-American references to mix tapes and skinny dipping in "Lost" that are supposed to relieve the tension, but are totally unrealistic.

Also we have another byzantine conspiracy as they did in the atrocious "Alias", which is one of the worst shows in history. I bet it relies on some group being unbelievably evil, just like on "Lost", and it will reveal nothing about why there is evil in this world.

I like Dunham. She's not an obvious choice and can act, however all the zippy "funny" moments are out-of-character and unrealistic. The X-Files had a way of inserting humor that made sense. This is silly. Also, there's lots of gross out elements but it's not subtle or interesting or suspenseful; unlike the frightful "Millennium Season 1" or the best of the X-Files, it's more overt gross-out that makes me want to look away, rather than watch in emotional terror.

Also, Pacey or whatever from Dawson's Creek is irritatingly the archetypical wise-ass and it's too obviously heading for a romantic pairing between the leads. Just so predictable. He's also an unjustified dick to his father.

Still, it's better than "Alias" and that moment when the son sings his father to sleep in the second episode was refreshingly sweet.

Yet Abrams' love by the network heads is a slap in the face to more artistic and courageous writers like Ronald D. Moore of Star Trek DS9 and the new Battlestar Galactica and especially Ira Steven Behr of DS9 and The 4400, especially the latter's Seasons 3 and 4. They wrote of the most pressing issues of our time with dramatic realism. There's no substance in Abrams' work; there are references to terrorism, but none of the human drama is based in dramatic realism; the motivations -- as on "Lost" -- just don't make psychological sense. It's all shock and awe, and no heart and soul. This bodes very poorly for the new Star Trek film Abrams and his hacks are putting together, when DS9, BSG, and The 4400 had so much to say about humanity with much more fun and innovation.
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Only 8 paragraphs?

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Old 09-17-2008, 07:49 AM   #3
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One example of lack of realism is the way Dunham finds out this shocking event and then cries the way I would after doing badly on a test in undergrad. There's no life crisis or severe bawling you'd expect. She also doesn't look exhausted, despite every other character commenting how tired she looks.
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I was curious about this, but no ads showed anything to lure me in. In fact, they showed nothing except that it was on 9 and **--NOT 7--**. But whatever. There's new Trek. Good.
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We watched this last week and found it alright, but nothing spectacular. I didn't even bother with it last night.

I caught the very first episode of Lost Sunday night, however, and found it much more entertaining.
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We watched this last week and found it alright, but nothing spectacular. I didn't even bother with it last night.
that was my opinion, too.
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I watched the 1st ep, haven't watched the 2nd yet (it's in the DVR). It was OK, I'll probably keep watching it unless it descends into suckage...Terminator is better though.
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I didn't watch it, either.

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You finally came around.
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Lost is much better.

That being said, I watched the first two episodes and will keep watching for now. Thought it was decent.

Beats most of the drivel that passes for TV lately.
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JJ Abrams has about as much to do with LOST as Dik Evans has to do with U2.

FAIL

He wrote and directed the 2 hour pilot and that's pretty much it.
People who don't watch the show wouldn't know this, so no harm done Muldy.
Damon Lindelof has been the creative force behind the show from very early on after JJ quit to go direct some movie.
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I watched the first two episodes and will keep watching for now. Thought it was decent.
Same.

It really is a mix of X-Files and Numb3rs with some plots and ideas stolen from Silence of the Lambs at this point. While it's still nowhere near as good as X-Files, they have at least added some interesting questions into the show already that could end up being interesting (or really shallow if they screw it up).
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JJ Abrams has about as much to do with LOST as Dik Evans has to do with U2.

FAIL

He wrote and directed the 2 hour pilot and that's pretty much it.
People who don't watch the show wouldn't know this, so no harm done Muldy.
Damon Lindelof has been the creative force behind the show from very early on after JJ quit to go direct some movie.
And you think people in Bang and Clatter have a pretentious attitude?

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I can't decide whether or not I should watch this show. I'm on the fringe.
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