BoMac
Self-righteous bullshitter
Except Thursday night games are broadcast on the NFL Network and that channel is not readily available to a lot of people.
i don't want banners or pop ups to start appearing during the show or anything to force people who dvr to see some sort of ad, but it's not fair to punish shows and then the rest of us by cancelling supposed low-rated shows that aren't really that low-rated just because the enough people dvr them to drop them a few places or something.
I get his point, and it's the one made above by D-Smith. They're already strapped for cash as a network. Are you now going to be happy with things that lower the enticements for advertisers to invest in shows like Community? That seems like a problem. I see his point there. And I totally agree with his point on the Nielsen system, which basically everybody agrees on except CBS.He asked, “Just because technology gives you the ability to do something, does that mean you should?” He answered, “Not always.”
riiiight. if i have the technology for something as minor as skipping commercials on a tv show, i'm gonna watch them anyway. it's not like we're talking about the atomic bomb or anything. he's coming off a bit like a whiny bitch who's way up in the 1% who doesn't get why people don't want to watch commercial after commercial. i'm sure when it's all said and done, he's probably way too busy to watch that much tv anyway so he hardly understands how annoying it gets for us commonfolk after a while
that all being said, i hate the nielsen system. it's so archaic, built on the old days back when you couldn't skip past things. then tivo came along and now every cable and satellite carrier offers their own dvr too so lots of people have them. i know these execs want to look at all this as how many people are ultimately watching ads, but people obviously don't watch tv to watch ads. if i'm watching live tv, i'll either mute the tv (if it's a new show) or change the channel during the break (if it's a rerun so i can afford to miss a minute if i don't change back in time).
to me this story is yet another case of execs with an archaic way of looking at things from back in the good old days yet they refuse to conform to current technology. if tv, (and even music, movies, etc.) got with the times and realised not everyone can watch stuff live and if it's recorded, most will opt to skip the commercials, then progress can be made. i don't want banners or pop ups to start appearing during the show or anything to force people who dvr to see some sort of ad, but it's not fair to punish shows and then the rest of us by cancelling supposed low-rated shows that aren't really that low-rated just because the enough people dvr them to drop them a few places or something.
To get us out of this boring conversation... ya (8) bit?!!
yeah, because until these posts i thought the money for tv shows just came from some huge vault like scrooge mcduck. it never occurred to me that maybe the ads they show financed it.I get his point, and it's the one made above by D-Smith. They're already strapped for cash as a network. Are you now going to be happy with things that lower the enticements for advertisers to invest in shows like Community? That seems like a problem. I see his point there. And I totally agree with his point on the Nielsen system, which basically everybody agrees on except CBS.
To get us out of this boring conversation... ya (8) bit?!!
That might have been it. Now I'm wondering if it had just been the Comicon reference. Oh well. I'll just stop wondering and say "that whole scene was funny."
You know, I haven't read anywhere that the fourth will even be the last season.
But 13 eps and a move to Fridays is probably not a great sign.
Anyone see McHale on Leno last night?
Also, after last week, how can anyone's favorite character not be Troy at this point?
If people keep skipping through the commercials, advertisers won't buy spots and networks won't have the money to invest in programming. Either you can't skip ads on DVRs, you have to deal with pop-up ads in programming or all shows are going to have product placement.
I pay 100 bucks a month for cable. I don't want to watch commercials. If they fuck with the dvrs and prevent people from skipping commercials, I'd just go back to torrenting my shows. If they really go full retard with the pop up commercials, I'll just wait for my shows to come on netflix or for the DVD rips.
These companies have to realize times are CHANG-ing. Old ways of raising revenue no longer work. The rating system is flawed. They either have to get with the times and adapt, or become obsolete.
Those episodes were excellent by the way. That would have been an excellent series finale, but I'm even more glad it isn't.
I agree with this. Some people say that anyone who torrents is ruining a show but I've spent the past ten years watching almost every show that's really good and stands out get cancelled because of the terrible ratings/commercial system. Meanwhile mediocre* shows get to run for 8+ seasons long past the point where the show should have ended (example: HIMYM).
It's time for a change. I am so tired of sitting through five minutes of commercials 2-3 times in a single episode. Hulu is so much more tolerable. I could do a more in depth post on this later, so bear that in mind. My brain is kind of foggy right now (four hours of sleep)
*When I say "mediocre", I just mean that the show doesn't have a "wow!" factor. The show may have been good at first, but they drag it out for so long that it starts to feel repetitive and like you're not getting anything new out of it anymore. Sometimes shows will change just for the sake of getting more viewers and it will alienate the original viewership. Yet these are the shows networks pay attention to because they appeal to the old audience of tired adults that come home from work and veg out all evening, not people who schedule time out of their busy day to sit down and watch a show.
Steved1998 said:Big Bang theory is blackface for geeks.
One day my mom was watching a DVD of "Bewitched" episodes. After it'd stopped and I went to take the DVD out I noticed the time limit on the episode that had stopped.
It was about 25 minutes, without the commercials. Whereas "Community" episodes are noted as clocking in at 21, 22 minutes minus the commercials. Found that rather interesting.
I'll be willing to sit through whatever I have to sit through in order to watch shows I love, but yes, there's a LOT of revamping that TV networks need to do, be it with advertising or the shows themselves. I haven't seen the shows people talk about here that you feel suck or have gone downhill (did read cobl's post/rant in the "How I Met Your Mother" thread, though-I don't watch that show, but I do like to read the thread for some reason. Yeouch), so I can't comment on them. And what doesn't appeal to me will appeal to others and vice versa.
But I do think originality is a very valuable trait and more shows should strive for it. At the same time, I also understand that some viewers out there aren't obsessive about TV the way others are, they just want something that doesn't tax their brain after a hard day and just want a half hour of entertainment, or background noise. So I dunno how we can balance that out so that everyone's happy.
I've never seen BBT summed up so aptly. Seriously impressed with this.
I thought the finale itself was the weakest of the three, but holy shit, those first two were stellar.
The little Abeds killed me.
Back in the 50s and 60s advertising was mainly right before a show started and right after, and it was usually one sponsor adverting a program, that's why the Flintstones did ads for Philip Morris for example. Shows ran longer then. When they air stuff on TVland and those types of channels they really butcher some of the shows to squeeze in commercial breaks, it's especially evident with hour long programs.
I'd have no problem with product placements within shows, as long as it doesn't distract from the story and it's not evident, but dropping in longer commercial breaks with stupid ads that are almost insulting is just ridiculous.