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Old 01-18-2012, 12:29 AM   #61
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Yeah. I mean, of course, soap operas may not have the same relevance to today's generation that they did to people who grew up on such things, there's all sorts of reasons for their decline...

...but still, to leave loyal fans in the dust like that sucks, no matter what.
yeah, plus i'm sure i read at some point that daytime tv viewing in general is down these days, no matter what the channel or show is. more people than ever have to work these days, how many families are in a financial position where the woman can stay at home and as a result, is home to watch a soap? plus now with cable, instead of just three choices, those who are home in the morning are now faced with hundreds. but all they can do is look back at the golden days and wonder why they can't get those numbers anymore. no one can, at least not in daytime.

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"The Talk". Ergh. Yes. I saw that show once when someone I like was to be on there. I'd sooner have watched "The View", and I'm not crazy about that show. At least the people on "View" go off their "have to say this to appeal to suburban moms and avoid controversy" type script every now and again and say something honest. I turned it after the person I like finished up.
exactly. when i was in the states i watched a few minutes to see how bad it was, and it was even worse than the view. like you said, at least the view can occasionally deviate from the "safe" opinions. but the talk just seemed to be about family values and all the buzzwords i expect to hear in some republican's campaign ad.

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Another thing I'd suggest-NBC owns so many other channels, so does ABC and such...I'm thinking they could definitely save on costs if they didn't feel the need to buy up every channel in existence. Monopolies suck.
exactly! the big three all have their fingers in so many pies, even outside of tv. i think all three of them own or at least have controlling interest in record labels, for example. is it all really necessary?
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Old 01-18-2012, 12:12 PM   #62
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Speaking of other channels, NBC should just move Community to USA, all their shows seem to get more viewers than their broadcast parent network's efforts. The Community cult audience would be huge for cable. Odd the same company can be in charge of the lowest rated major network and the highest rated cable network.
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Old 01-18-2012, 02:25 PM   #63
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A move is pretty illogical. Without the benefit of airing on network television, I couldn't see Community pulling more than a .5 in the demo if it aired on USA. The show isn't done in-house either, so who knows if that would even be profitable for NBC. A lot of the other live-action comedies on cable (like Sunny in Philadelphia or Louie) have pretty much no budget whereas Community is definitely a million an episode at the very least.

Community simply never should have left the 9:30 PM slot. NBC instead wasted it on some shows like Outsourced and Whitney that you knew would get canceled anyway. If I have a gem that needs a little help, I'd give it a great time slot rather than move it out for a piece of shit that I know nobody will like. They should have let the veteran show with an audience, 30 Rock, move to 8 PM. I think the slight loss in numbers for 30 Rock would have been worth it as Community would probably be pulling a 2.5 or something nowadays thanks to The Office lead-in. Hell, Whitney was basically managing that.
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You're right, I forgot that it wasn't a Universal production.

It'll probably survive another year because it does have a consistent, passionate audience (I'm sure it has more residual value from iTunes, DVD and merchandise sales than Whitney could ever achieve) and is one of the top shows on Hulu (which does drive some revenue unlike DVR viewership) whereas Whitney has had slightly higher ratings in cushier slots without much love for it from anyone be they critic or general public. Look at last year, it was faced with the choice of having to cut several shows and hope for the best on several new launches or they could let Community continue because it was already established, so the higher-rated Outsourced got the ax. They now also have evidence that Community's ratings this season were depressed by the timeslot given how the premiere of 30 Rock barely beat out Community's S3 numbers. I think they'll be desperate enough to bring it back, even if it's only for a front 13 episodes at a lower budget. That is if it can hold onto it's core audience when it comes back from hiatus.

Not much to hope for, but all's not lost yet.

NBC really should push WB to get the show on Netflix Watch Instantly, look how cult shows like Sons of Anarchy grew drastically following their exposure on NF. All of Community is on Hulu+ but that barely has 1.5m customers.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:22 PM   #65
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That is if it can hold onto it's core audience when it comes back from hiatus.
It seems pretty doable. NBC seems like they'd almost be happy with a 1.5 in the demo at this point which is about what the Chelsea/Whitney block will probably produce on average in the near future. Community just has to outperform those and it will look very good because NBC is going to have so many holes in its schedule (look at The Firm's anemic numbers, for example).
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If anything, putting Community on hiatus has made it look better in comparison. There is so much horrible shit on NBC's airwaves.
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Agreed on that. I just saw a commercial for NBC's current lineup and...meh. It's really depressing to not see ads for "Community".

I don't know squat about the ins and outs of ratings and moving shows and budgets and such. I just know I want one of my favorite shows back. I don't care where it goes or when, I'll watch it anyway.

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yeah, plus i'm sure i read at some point that daytime tv viewing in general is down these days, no matter what the channel or show is. more people than ever have to work these days, how many families are in a financial position where the woman can stay at home and as a result, is home to watch a soap? plus now with cable, instead of just three choices, those who are home in the morning are now faced with hundreds. but all they can do is look back at the golden days and wonder why they can't get those numbers anymore. no one can, at least not in daytime.
Exactly. Putting out a SoapNet channel also greatly affected network ratings-missed it during the day? Watch it on there at night. Good idea for fans, but for the networks, not so much.

Times change, and people need to learn how to adapt to the changes.

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exactly. when i was in the states i watched a few minutes to see how bad it was, and it was even worse than the view. like you said, at least the view can occasionally deviate from the "safe" opinions. but the talk just seemed to be about family values and all the buzzwords i expect to hear in some republican's campaign ad.
Precisely. And seeing shows like that being held up as the best TV can offer for hearing "women's opinions" on the topics of the day bugs me. I love the idea of women getting together and discussing stuff on a TV show. But let's not dumb it down and make it something for people to make fun of.

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exactly! the big three all have their fingers in so many pies, even outside of tv. i think all three of them own or at least have controlling interest in record labels, for example. is it all really necessary?
Not really, no. But profit trumps everything, so why mess with the formula?

...man, I'm really depressed now. I need to go cheer myself up.
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NBC really Britta'd it.
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Old 01-18-2012, 05:27 PM   #69
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Haha, well put .
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Last night:

Whitney - 1.6 (below Community's average ratings this year)

Are You There, Chelsea? - 1.8


Keep in mind that this block will only drop further since Chelsea is a new show that viewers are still fleeing from. Drama-wise, NBC isn't doing much better. Law and Order: SVU which costs much more to produce than these two series, earned a historic low (1.8) last night.
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Thanks for the updates. *Keeps fingers crossed*
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30 Rock pulled a 1.6 last night in Community's old time slot. It was competing against American Idol as well as Big Bang Theory. Hell, by the time it comes back, Community's old numbers will better than NBC's average numbers.
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That is rather funny, yeah.

So, this article's a little old (it's from the fall of 2010), but I dunno, I stumbled across it today and figured it might be something light and fun to read regardless-Joel and Alison chatting about the show. Even out of character, they've got great chemistry.

(Note: towards the end, Joel mentions someone that may ring a bell to people on this board )

Joel McHale and Alison Brie are happy to do 'Community' service - National Celebrity Q&A | Examiner.com
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I would love to see Jason Bateman on this show. As a professor who falls in love with Britta. Or something.
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