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Old 04-05-2012, 03:46 AM   #346
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Man, this show has been fantastic since it returned from hiatus.

Re: the whole Harmon/Chevy thing. It's ugly, and I wish it wouldn't have happened, but what are you gonna do? I'm glad that Harmon publicly apologized, and hopefully they can kiss and make up, because I don't want Chevy going anywhere. Pierce has been one of the very best things about this show since day one.

It's interesting. And also a bit of the whole "life imitating art" cliche:

From the beginning, a large amount of the plots on this show have focused on someone in the group being a total asshole and ruining the fun only to have it come around to conclude with a moment of redemption and everything is forgiven and the group is back together and everyone's happy.

Except now, instead of Dan Harmon writing a plot where Pierce is the "villain" in need of redemption, the tables have turned and Harmon himself has been cast as the asshole who needs to save face, and Chevy (Pierce) is the innocent victim. And hopefully this real life "plot" ends with everyone back together and happy and forgiven and the show as a whole can move on and give us another brilliant season. Or three more seasons and a movie.

Life imitating art imitating life. It's all so meta, you guys.

I don't know, it's just that the show has always perpetuated such a close-knit, fun, communal vibe...and it's sad when something from REAL LIFE disrupts the idealized image I have in my head of all the writers and producers and actors holding hands and skipping around and laughing and playing on a magic trampoline or something. Why can't real life be as fun and easy as a TV comedy show?

I've maybe smoked too much weed tonight.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:06 AM   #347
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and it's sad when something from REAL LIFE disrupts the idealized image I have in my head of all the writers and producers and actors holding hands and skipping around and laughing and playing on a magic trampoline or something. Why can't real life be as fun and easy as a TV comedy show?
This. Especially since, for the most part, you seem to be right-it does seem the cast overall gets on fine and has fun together, and the rest of the cast seem to be really cool and nice and down to earth and all that good stuff, and the show's had a really good relationship with its fanbase, the love goes both ways, it seems. So this little wrinkle is upsetting. But like you said, it happens, and many other shows have managed to survive just fine despite some people not getting along on set, so I don't see why this should hurt "Community", either.

Be it under the influence of pot or not, your whole post deserves a .

Joel made a lightheartedly joking mention of the whole Chevy/Dan thing on "The Soup" tonight, actually .
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:19 PM   #348
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Holy shit, Pierce's pillow monster is just about the greatest thing I've ever seen.
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Pierce's costume made me think of the Stay-Puff marshmallow man !

This episode was ALL kinds of awesome . Britta's picture taking, um, skills, the sidebar snarky comments from the narrator about things that confused him or whatnot, the very ending with Troy and Abed taking calls as well as the explanation of the beyond confusing "north wall" (those bits had me dying).

And the bit with Jeff, Troy, Abed, and the hats at the end of the war. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww... . That was really, really sweet.

Much love for this one. Oh, yes.
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:34 PM   #350
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Stay-Puft meets Michelin Man.

Britta's photography

Annie's "humanitarian work" running lint brushes over students

The texting

The end of the war

The telethon

Everything involving Shirley.

This was a blast, disappointed we didn't get more of the Greendale community, & the approach was a clear yet creative cost-cutting measure, but hey it's only 20 odd minutes, you can't do everything.
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After being pretty meh about last week, I was thrilled to love this one.
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Also you gotta love how much Britta contributed to this episode, with no dialog.

& people, vote for Community on Hulu's best show poll, it's down to the final against The Walking Dead. Things like this might be dumb, but it's another feather in the show's cap that'd show the ratings don't really reflect the level of fandom/popularity:

Hulu - Best in Show 2012
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I liked that ski/singing/whatever combo show they were all gathering around to watch during the cease-fire .

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Good point!

Will place my vote on that Hulu thing.
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I love how the whole situation was really just a figurative way for letting a best friend fight play out, you know in the end you're handling things childishly but there's that period of time where you just have to keep fighting because 1. you're too prideful to let it go or open up about what started it in the first place & 2. (as demonstrated in this final scene) You don't want to stop being with the person and this is all you think you have left together. And a lot of the time it really does take a mutual friend to come in and shake you out of it. That was actually quite touching and relatable for me actually.

Of course it gets a little meta-ish that the 'figurative way for letting a best friend fight play out' is also the literal way these two characters would deal with exactly the kind of situation I just outlined.
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Oh & you can vote as much as you want in that poll, and stupid as it is I guess it's gotten the winner widely seen press releases in the past, so for a show that needs momentum and more love than it has from the world at large, it'd only be a good thing.
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Old 04-06-2012, 01:52 AM   #357
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Cool, thanks for the tip . Would certainly love for this show to get more press of that sort.

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I love how the whole situation was really just a figurative way for letting a best friend fight play out, you know in the end you're handling things childishly but there's that period of time where you just have to keep fighting because 1. you're too prideful to let it go or open up about what started it in the first place & 2. (as demonstrated in this final scene) You don't want to stop being with the person and this is all you think you have left together. And a lot of the time it really does take a mutual friend to come in and shake you out of it. That was actually quite touching and relatable for me actually.
Agreed.

I just said this elsewhere, but I've seen some people comment here and there about how it's hard for them to care about the characters on this show and what happens to them. Scenes like that one between Jeff, Troy, and Abed at the end of this show, or the scene at the end of the "Remedial" episode where everyone's dancing and singing to "Roxanne", or Shirley in the first season finally letting out her anger at what her husband had done to her, or whatever, would be evidence to the contrary, I think. I love all these guys and do care about the crazy stuff that goes on in their lives. The characters are the biggest reason I stick around with any show, and that qualifies here.

I remember there being talk of an episode coming up where Britta and Annie bond a bit and talk about all sorts of things, I'm really looking forward to that one, too. Get the female side of the friendship thing.
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Word. I love shows like Arrested Development & 30 Rock, but it's this & Scrubs that get me because of the characters and how their development and interaction matters above all. The only way you could say character doesn't matter is if you're not a regular watcher. Some of the more profound things that happen with these characters isn't telegraphed to the audience that hasn't been following the minutia of their personalities and interactions of late.

Also this episode made me rethink my feelings towards Jeff this season. I'd been thinking the writers kind of let him slip back into his pilot episode self too much this season, but when you think about it there's a lot of him admitting that he's going through a lot and trying to work through it and a lot of the "Jeff's a selfish jerk" moments could kind of be his attempts at still seeming nonchalant and aloof.
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Word. I love shows like Arrested Development & 30 Rock, but it's this & Scrubs that get me because of the characters and how their development and interaction matters above all. The only way you could say character doesn't matter is if you're not a regular watcher. Some of the more profound things that happen with these characters isn't telegraphed to the audience that hasn't been following the minutia of their personalities and interactions of late.
Precisely. For all the "cool" surrounding this show, its pop-culture, meta/clever/winking attitude and such, they're also willing to do simple and sentimental and touching as well.

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Oh, yeah, he's just trying to keep up his cool veneer, but it's obvious that that's much flimsier now than it used to be. I've no question he's come to care about and love the others. Heck, it's noticeable outside the group, too-spending the day with Dean Pelton, for instance, in the episode from some time back. Sure, Pelton kinda had him over a barrel, which was why he originally agreed to hang out with him, but early days Jeff would've still found some reason to try and slip away at some point or manipulate the dean into keeping secret his skipping the move thing or something. Not go out and karaoke with the guy. And when people call him out on his crap now, it clearly bugs him a lot more now than it might have at one time (i.e., the look on his face after Annie insulted him and stormed off during their little argument tonight).

And on that note, I love that it's often Britta and Annie who can cut Jeff's BS down quite a bit in particular. The rest of the gang just kinda brush it off or laugh about it or whatever, and Shirley's kinda got the motherly thing going on with Jeff, but Britta and Annie's arguments with him are always particularly entertaining.
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I think this will go down as another one of those episodes that everyone frothed over that I didn't love quite as much, but I still really enjoyed it. 20 minutes just wasn't long enough.
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