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Old 08-28-2012, 01:03 AM   #16
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I admit, if Walt has Flynn taken out on a deadly fishing trip, I'll laugh.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:04 AM   #17
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So no one wants the Godfather Part II ending with Walt killing everyone and having to live with his own sins, huh?
Isn't that the whole point of the series though, that by the end he's so far gone that he wouldn't have any trouble living with his own sins?
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:10 AM   #18
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Oh, dude, it's not like I expect everyone to read my every post, just wanted to re-toss my hat into the Jesse triumphs ring.
No worries man I wasn't meaning to come off flippant at all sorry if it read that way, just sayin that I haven't read the closed thread at all so I'm likely a bit behind.

But here's a thought..what if Walt took Mike's gun not out of any real premeditated intent to kill him, but because he felt he needed to protect himself from Mike, who, on his way out, might do something rash to him ie parting shot?

He keeps the gun, but mainly just to keep the meeting clean so to speak. But then, because he feels so slighted that Mike won't thank him (this is in line with his overworked ego, for sure) and coupled with Mike chastising him and blaming all their woes on him, and finally refusing to name the 9 people in prison, he just becomes so enraged and acts completely irrationally.

Mike, knowing that Walt always (usually) acts in an extremely calculating way and rarely quickly/impusively..and believing that Walt must know that he intended Walt no harm, would then not bother fearing/distrusting the meeting, because he would believe that Walt still very much respects him as a cold killer but one who wanted to exit quietly.

Of course, that's not how Walt's thought process panned out, but there's little (imo) to suggest that Mike would think Walt would be heading in that direction..

This theory doesn't cause me to hate Walt any less, but it somehow makes this part of the story a bit more plausible for me..
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So no one wants the Godfather Part II ending with Walt killing everyone and having to live with his own sins, huh?
This is precisely what I've been anticipating since somewhere around the middle of season 3. And I think would be fairly consistent with the initial vision and tone of the series as it's developed.
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And I think would be fairly consistent with the initial vision and tone of the series as it's developed.
I've been so convinced that Walter has to die that I have rarely stopped to consider Laz's Godfather II suggestion.

That being said, and I ask for edification, not as a challenge, how do you see that end as being consistent with the show's vision/tone?
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Practically everyone but Skyler and Flynn are dead now. What points to Walt surviving this mess?

Everyone dies in this movie!
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That being said, and I ask for edification, not as a challenge, how do you see that end as being consistent with the show's vision/tone?
In as simple terms as I can, for the sake of brevity, I've viewed the show as a dissection of man's ability to make "wrong" decisions for himself and for others, for all manner of intentions and reasons. Walter's made a new career of using his intellect and ego to get into and climb his way out of all sorts of improbable trouble, usually with far greater collateral damage, to others and to his own soul, than he initially plans or I think even realized after the fact.

The Godfather II conclusion seems about right. Walt could likely "win" in the end, but the most disturbed and desperate type of win.
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Isn't that the whole point of the series though, that by the end he's so far gone that he wouldn't have any trouble living with his own sins?
Further gone than Michael Corleone?

Walt still loves his children. And his regret over killing Mike was not a performance for anyone.

He's not a machine.
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Declan
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baby White
Skyler
Jesse

that's 8...so take that list and throw in a couple randoms like the kid he's teaching to cook..Brock or his mom.and you've got a real possibility of the last man standing being Walt

I sincerely hope that isn't so, however. Especially Jesse. And I actually like Saul too.
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I'm sure Vince Gilligan has stated its not a matter of if Walt dies, but when.

Looked like the cancer had come back in the cold open flash forward.

I'm holding out for a Godfather 3 ending. Junior takes a bullet meant for Walt and then Walt eventually succumbs to cancer whilst eating an orange.
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I really hope Brock kills Walt.
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Hopefully Walt and Junior's viewing of Scarface wasn't foreshadowing of a Tony Montana "blaze of glory" ending.
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I really hope Brock kills Walt.
I think Badger kills Walt and Jesse and takes over the empire with Skinny Pete.
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Much has been made of Walt and Walt J-j-j-jr's viewing of Scarface earlier in the season, but no one seems to be talking about Mike watching The Big Heat. Possibly foreshadowing there too.
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So no one wants the Godfather Part II ending with Walt killing everyone and having to live with his own sins, huh?


I go with this, and the Walt dies 3 months later from cancer.

I'd call that the "life is shit" ending.
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