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Old 12-04-2012, 02:39 PM   #106
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The question is how they intend to mix the more serious, Bourne-inspired stripped down/reinvention secret agent movie tone of Craig Bonds with, no doubt, follow up Bond movies with plenty of Q toys.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:52 PM   #107
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I'll give you the M material even though

 
The very end of the film set up the series to return to extremely familiar territory with the male M and Moneypenny in a nearly identical looking office and so forth from the early films


Not to mention the entire theme of this film had to do with the vitality (or questioned lack-thereof) and relevance of the "old ways" restated with each umpteenth wink and nod back to the old films. The whole thing invariably boiled down to a return (part way) to more traditional Bond thinking. If anything the last two Craig films had more "serious drama" than this one, and a more thorough break from tradition in the Bond personality.

Like, a lot a lot more.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:48 PM   #108
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Better than QoS, but I prefer Casino Royale for the Craig films. Really enjoyed it though, with the only major being Eve. As the audience, we have reason to dislike her from the start due to her shooting Bond, but she was well on my nerves before even that. Horrible character, wretched performance, gutted that she will presumably sticking around.
I stopped reading after this, Naomie Harris is fantastic as I've been saying for the past 10 years.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:50 PM   #109
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They established a completely linear track (something the Bond franchise has really not done). They flushed away every pre-Casino Royale film with this one. They had a lot of serious, personal drama. That's another thing you never see in a James Bond film.

They had James Bond doing a lot of non-James Bond things.

More importantly, involving M... highly uncharacteristic of any James Bond film to develop it like that.
Um, all the Craig films have been like that (which is what makes them more interesting beyond just the niche kitsch entertainment value the old ones had), if anything this is the one that hews closest to the old Bond era, especially given how it's folded neatly together by the end & hits some missing hallmarks beat by beat in its final few minutes.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:22 PM   #110
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I stopped reading after this, Naomie Harris is fantastic as I've been saying for the past 10 years.
I liked her well enough in 28 Days Later, but she was crap in this. It's probably more to do with her character doing nothing but deliver quips and retorts, but I still feel Harris came off badly in the role. Maybe it will work better in a short scene with her and Bond outside M's office going forward. Constantly cutting back to her during the opening and that awful dialogue exchange in Macau was terrible though.

Feel free to go back and finish the rest of my post sometime, doesn't mention her again.

Also, M had a larger than normal role in TWINE, right? Getting kidnapped by an old acquaintance or something.
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Um, all the Craig films have been like that (which is what makes them more interesting beyond just the niche kitsch entertainment value the old ones had), if anything this is the one that hews closest to the old Bond era, especially given how it's folded neatly together by the end & hits some missing hallmarks beat by beat in its final few minutes.
Both QoS and Skyfall have been very unorthodox. They don't follow the same Bond story arc that most Bond movies follow. Casino Royale absolutely does.

The Craig series is a reboot though. There's a reason that they've gone off the charts a bit. They still paid a ton of homage to the previous films and had what is essential of James Bond in a lot of it, but that's not to say this is by any means a typical Bond film.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:01 PM   #112
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Well QoS hardly counts on the traditional story arc but, in all actuality it's the final act of CR.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:50 AM   #113
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Finally got around to watching it tonight. My overall feeling is the same way I feel about Adele's theme song - good, with all the right elements seemingly in place, but just not as engaging as I'd wish and somehow missing the spark. There was still heaps to enjoy; like most people mentioned it looks gorgeous, Daniel Craig is still awesome (and dead sexy!) as Bond; very good performances from most of the cast particularly Bardem, whose wonderfully creepy Silva is probably the first truly memorable villain of Craig's films. Just overall the film didn't quite grip me. Apart from the opening sequence none of the action scenes really stuck in my mind, and they may have tried to do something new with that final showdown in Scotland but it just struck me as, I don't know, too dowdy for a James Bond film. And the whole old/new theme was about as subtle as a sledgehammer.
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