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Old 02-11-2008, 04:35 PM   #1
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Battlestar Galactica Seasons 4 & 4.5

(For the admin to resurrect and merge whenever anyone wants to create a thread specifically about Season 4.)

The Emmy-nominated and Peabody award-winning new Battlestar Galactica is the most politically-insightful show EVER in the history of American pop culture -- far more complex and dramatically-realistic than 24 or The West Wing. This re-imagined show (which is nothing like the usual escapist sci-fi, let alone the atrocious 1970s show from which it derives only vaguely its premise) intelligently explores themes ranging from terrorism, torture, war, religious faith, political campaigns, the tension between civilian and military authority in a fragile democracy, abortion, stem-cell research, genocide, marital problems, labor disputes, and, most recently throughout Season 3, the complicated politics of collaboration in an occupied regime. While the writing never feels too aping of current world issues, Ronald D. Moore and his staff show greater understanding of history and world affairs than most of the US media (except PBS) with its short-term sense of causality and American nationalist leanings that have led most recently to a war in Iraq that went largely unquestioned until it was too late.

It challenges conventional perceptions in US culture in very thoughtful ways. For example, the third season premiere – for which the show has been nominated with an Emmy for Outstanding Writing -- had the "heroes" engage in suicide bombings against the "villains" because, unlike most of the US media, the head writer understands that terrorism is a means, and not morally worse than war since both are terrible and violent means of solving political problems. This is not to say I agree with anything resembling Al Qaeda or its followers, but the American Revolution (especially in the South, where US soldiers would engage in hit and run attacks and use deceptive propaganda about British-allied natives raping white women) and French Resistance in WWII were terrorism, and Hitler used war, proving that war can be just as deplorable as terrorism in its goals and means.

What is equally impressive with how these issues are discussed is how the characters are portrayed. There is not one hero on this show who doesn't occasionally do "the wrong thing", but feels no guilt about it because they don't realize how wrong they are; there is not one character ("good guy" or "bad") who does not show both dark and heroic traits in a way that is similar to human nature.

Without presenting simple answers, this show is so real that it can change how we traditionally look at our societies. I firmly believe this insight can reduce conflict in this world. What this program depicts so well is that “the other” is not as homogenously terrible as we might think and that “we” are not necessarily as good or as true to our principles as we’d like to believe; each side stereotypes the other and prejudges its individuals based on what the group has done. There is no pure good or evil person in this series, only what is in-between – that we all have the capacity for kindness and selfishness, for clarity and mistakes -- which is far truer to human nature.

I am a student of history and have been disillusioned and saddened to learn from many university professors that the biographical and other works (including many on the genius of the US founders) written by many historians are actually deceptive hagiographies, as are the high school history books that seek only to uphold those on "our" side while completely denigrating those on the other. It is my strong feeling that this approach to history has harmed societies, including the US and the rest of the West. It is only when we learn about the capacity for fault and kindness in all of us, and of our great heroes’ abilities to make mistakes that we may better judge our past and plan for the future as peoples and voters.

"Battlestar Galactica" is the kind of show that best resembles the reality of human relations. Perhaps its one slightly weak area is its exploration of romance, but the painful side of love is written beautifully. It deserves attention, despite losing to formulaic shows in televised award shows. It also features an impeccable cast of actors, including Academy Award Nominees Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell.

Check out the miniseries to see what I mean, if you're uncertain -- even just a few minutes. The show is best enjoyed from the start, and I can only vouch for the near perfection in subtle writing that are the miniseries and Season 1. There are incredible episodes in following seasons, but nowhere near the consistency of the first. This show is losing in the ratings and needs your help. The first 2 seasons are on DVD; Season 3 will be out in mid-March, 2008.
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Old 02-11-2008, 04:36 PM   #2
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Season 4 begins April 4th, my babies.
NO SPOILERS, unless there's a way of blocking them out so people don't have to read them.
http://tv.ign.com/articles/850/850903p1.html
(I wouldn't read the caption at the end to avoid any hints of what's going to happen; I didn't.)

Season 3 is selling on amazon, and contains a redone 25 extra minutes-long version of the amazing "Unfinished Business". I can't wait, but I'm disappointed they didn't add in lots of character textures that were missing from many big episodes, which actors like Grace Park and Jaime Bamber have noted were lifted for time; I think "Torn"/"A Measure of Salvation", "Eye of Jupiter"/"Rapture" and even the finale "Crossroads 2" suffered heavily from this. Even "The Woman King" supposedly had a reference to Helo acting out of self-interest in having been looking for illegal activity to get back in Admiral Adama's good graces; it would have added a greater believability to his character if such footage had been integrated into the episode than just left as a deleted scene. I don't know why Ron Moore did this. It's a shame.
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I'm psyched.
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BSG has forever changed my views about the grand political spectrum.
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I'm psyched.
I am, too. A little sad, too. I don't want to say "bye" to Baltar....

I don't know if anyone's seen these, but here are some cool Q & As with some of the cast, after Season 4 had started filming; you can actually see Col. Tigh smile!

They also mention some major celebs that love the show. It's Robin Williams favorite show; Quentin Tarantino eargerly spoke with Grace Park about the show at a party. I just read last night how Miguel Ferrier (who played the guy who invented Robocop and has acted in "Traffic" and many other things) said he absolutely loves the show. I just wish these folks would promote the show when they're on "The Tonight Show" promoting their own stuff. It could really bring in their fanbases. Such a shame.

Part 1:
http://media.tv.ign.com/media/821/82...d_2040008.html

Part 2:
http://media.tv.ign.com/media/821/82...d_2041383.html

Part 3:
http://media.tv.ign.com/media/821/82...d_2042493.html

Anyone having trouble playing these, here's the page where they're found:
http://media.tv.ign.com/media/821/821011/vids_1.html
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BSG has forever changed my views about the grand political spectrum.

Me too. I used to think that GWB was a terrible president and that we should be more empathetic to the Arab world. After watching BSG though, I am now convinced that GWB is not only one of the top 2-3 best presidents in history, he is also quite probably a prophet from God.

I have also learned that we should nuke any country that doesn't uphold our Christian ideals.

Thank you, BSG!
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Me too. I used to think that GWB was a terrible president and that we should be more empathetic to the Arab world. After watching BSG though, I am now convinced that GWB is not only one of the top 2-3 best presidents in history, he is also quite probably a prophet from God.

I have also learned that we should nuke any country that doesn't uphold our Christian ideals.

Thank you, BSG!
Be sure to tell everyone you know about this show. Especially if you have a chance of being on national television, or hell, even public access.
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Be sure to tell everyone you know about this show. Especially if you have a chance of being on national television, or hell, even public access.

Last night, I was having celebration sex with Alicia Keys and Amy Winehouse and as they were screaming "Oh God, Oh God!" I was shouting, "Thank you Battle Star Galactica!!!"

I talked them both into watching the show and penning some songs based on the politically insightful themes.
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You're a great man, Dalton. A great man.
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Was this thread started as a way of mocking me? I specifically stated in the other thread that a new one would start once the season began. We don't need anything "political" in the title, simply saying Battlestar Galactica - Season 4 would have sufficed.

Needless to say, I will still create a new thread later and if the mods need to merge, I will request they keep the thread title simple. We don't need anything more than that.
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You're a great man, Dalton. A great man.

Have I had you before? You don't call me by my Christian name.


Alicia and Amy, they can call me Dalton.
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Whenever I read "politically insightful" and "Muldfeld" together now, I can't help but roll my eyes and say "Now there's a show that's no longer worth watching."
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Precisely why it shouldn't be in the title. He's given good shows a bad rap by giving us all this political babble...
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Have I had you before? You don't call me by my Christian name.


Alicia and Amy, they can call me Dalton.
Here's the thing... I don't give a tuppenny fuck about your moral conundrum, you meat-headed shit-sack... That's pretty much the thing.
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I wonder what Daniel Lanois thinks of Season 4?
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