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Old 01-17-2009, 02:52 PM   #256
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Looked like melon was right, right?
I was right!!!!!!!

Although it looks like my background reasoning is probably a bit off now. For the record, Ronald D. Moore was correct: he did drop clues as to who the Fifth Cylon was and repeatedly. I just happened to be the one who figured it out.
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Old 01-17-2009, 03:23 PM   #257
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I do not think phanan is a dick, though. NSW is a dick. Phanan is ok in my book though.
Let's leave me out of this, please.
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Interview with the writers and director about the new episode, and the decision-making behind some of the storylines:

'Battlestar Galactica's' Ron Moore addresses the shocking developments of 'Sometimes a Great Notion' | The Watcher

Long, worth the read.

Warning: NOT politically relevant.
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Old 01-17-2009, 04:22 PM   #259
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The thread title should be changed back. This is not some escapist junk that only furthers the dulling of the American mind with false notions of the human condition like "Fringe" or "Lost."
Could you be any more obnoxious? Could you overstate the "importance" of BSG any more than you do? I don't think it's humanly possible.

I've only seen Fringe here and there, it is kind of derivative IMO. Then again, I'm not that interested in hanging around to find out. Maybe it's gotten a lot better, I don't know.

LOST is a show that delves heavily into philosophy (not politics, thank Jeebus) and soon will become more apparent that it's also dipping into quantum theory. It's also a broadcast network show, which means it can't afford to be 'niche' and play to all of the tropes of general Sci Fi. It's also an original concept, not a re-imagination.

Besides the multiple layers of storytelling, disjointed narratives, and unmatched serial broadcast TV mystery, you have examinations of:

The nature of Time itself, spirituality, religion, determinism, ambiguous human natures of good and evil, life and death, irony, psychology, redemption, salvation, fate and destiny, free will, quantum theory, utiltarianism, if you think it's a show about a plane crash and a conspiracy, then yeah I guess it would just be "escapism". About like thinking BSG is nothing more than the Space Opera it is. There is the text and the subtext, what are you reading? If you can read the BSG subtext, I would assume you have enough of an intellect to look a little deeper. I think your only rationale is to beat something down to build something else up. Do I need to link 75 articles written by somebody else (this is a hint) to spell it out for you?

What is the meaning of existence? Is that too "escapist"?
Does that not apply to the "human condition"?
"False notions of the human condition" Motherfucking please.

Politics change, ask Arthur C Clarke. Ask Alan Moore, ask...well anyone who's used political subtexts in their works of fiction, science fiction or otherwise. Borders change, affiliations change, issues change, whether it's the Cold War allusions or Vietnam commentary it all stands to be 'dated' by history. That doesn't mean that it isn't excellent work, if not some of the best of the genre, but it doesn't serve the "human condition" anymore than a Bill O'Reilly book does. You do a disservice to the creation everytime you opine about this show. Do you think Gene Roddenberry thought his Vietnam subtexts were making headway? Do you think he intended it to? Do you think Ronald D Moore intends the same? It's just fucking commentary, that's all it is.

Where Star Trek (and Asimov and tons of other work) sink their teeth in, are with the philosophical insight. The IDIC. The nature of man, the actual "human condition" from our inception to our current day. Not ignorning the biggest questions of the day in lieu of some 'pub' cred for allusion to the war on terrorism and the headlines of the day. No, BSG does not ignore the philosophies of human nature, it does an excellent job all around. I'm just not weighing it down with the burden of changing the universe with it's 'incision' into the American political psyche.

Is this "political insight" only intended for Americans to digest? Quite a narrowing of the scope of influence even further for such a niche show buried on a network that airs original programming such as "Sharks in Venice!!!" Meaning, what is the audience for the insight? Point is, it's not as ambitious as you'd like to think. So, is it actually trying to make a difference or what? Or is it just making a comment, an astute, creative comment for which you assign much more meaning than could ever be attained?

Did you think the X-Files was anything more than "escapism"? What about Ronald D Moore's work on Trek? Sure, any good works of fiction always have something bubbling under the hood but it all comes down to storytelling, myth-building and if you don't see the subtext, it doesn't mean it's not there.

The "human condition" is much more than a news headline.
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My hero.

VERY well said.
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Old 01-17-2009, 04:54 PM   #261
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Interview with the writers and director about the new episode, and the decision-making behind some of the storylines:

'Battlestar Galactica's' Ron Moore addresses the shocking developments of 'Sometimes a Great Notion' | The Watcher

Long, worth the read.

Warning: NOT politically relevant.
Yes. I just read the whole thing, and it is a very good article. I highly recommend it to others.
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Sicy, Phenan keeps doing this. Season 4 was last year. This is 4.5. He's just trying to be an ignorant, arrogant dick, which is typical of a lot of the people around here.
Last I heard, the second half of a season still falls into the season as a whole, hence the merge. The thread title will stay as it is as well. As for arrogance, the fact that you feel the need to constantly trumpet the show's political insightfulness (as if we lowly people couldn't understand it without your help) seems to me to be just a wee bit arrogant, nevermind calling people ignorant because they don't like your constant, completely unnecessary reminders.

And finally, insulting other members of the forum is not allowed. Consider this a formal warning.
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Yes. I just read the whole thing, and it is a very good article. I highly recommend it to others.
I read it as well. Very excellent reading.

And well done on Ellen, melon.

What a great episode.
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Interview with the writers and director about the new episode, and the decision-making behind some of the storylines:

'Battlestar Galactica's' Ron Moore addresses the shocking developments of 'Sometimes a Great Notion' | The Watcher

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Warning: NOT politically relevant.
Wow. Awesome read. Thanks!
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Could you be any more obnoxious? Could you overstate the "importance" of BSG any more than you do? I don't think it's humanly possible.

I've only seen Fringe here and there, it is kind of derivative IMO. Then again, I'm not that interested in hanging around to find out. Maybe it's gotten a lot better, I don't know.

LOST is a show that delves heavily into philosophy (not politics, thank Jeebus) and soon will become more apparent that it's also dipping into quantum theory. It's also a broadcast network show, which means it can't afford to be 'niche' and play to all of the tropes of general Sci Fi. It's also an original concept, not a re-imagination.

Besides the multiple layers of storytelling, disjointed narratives, and unmatched serial broadcast TV mystery, you have examinations of:

The nature of Time itself, spirituality, religion, determinism, ambiguous human natures of good and evil, life and death, irony, psychology, redemption, salvation, fate and destiny, free will, quantum theory, utiltarianism, if you think it's a show about a plane crash and a conspiracy, then yeah I guess it would just be "escapism". About like thinking BSG is nothing more than the Space Opera it is. There is the text and the subtext, what are you reading? If you can read the BSG subtext, I would assume you have enough of an intellect to look a little deeper. I think your only rationale is to beat something down to build something else up. Do I need to link 75 articles written by somebody else (this is a hint) to spell it out for you?

What is the meaning of existence? Is that too "escapist"?
Does that not apply to the "human condition"?
"False notions of the human condition" Motherfucking please.

Politics change, ask Arthur C Clarke. Ask Alan Moore, ask...well anyone who's used political subtexts in their works of fiction, science fiction or otherwise. Borders change, affiliations change, issues change, whether it's the Cold War allusions or Vietnam commentary it all stands to be 'dated' by history. That doesn't mean that it isn't excellent work, if not some of the best of the genre, but it doesn't serve the "human condition" anymore than a Bill O'Reilly book does. You do a disservice to the creation everytime you opine about this show. Do you think Gene Roddenberry thought his Vietnam subtexts were making headway? Do you think he intended it to? Do you think Ronald D Moore intends the same? It's just fucking commentary, that's all it is.

Where Star Trek (and Asimov and tons of other work) sink their teeth in, are with the philosophical insight. The IDIC. The nature of man, the actual "human condition" from our inception to our current day. Not ignorning the biggest questions of the day in lieu of some 'pub' cred for allusion to the war on terrorism and the headlines of the day. No, BSG does not ignore the philosophies of human nature, it does an excellent job all around. I'm just not weighing it down with the burden of changing the universe with it's 'incision' into the American political psyche.

Is this "political insight" only intended for Americans to digest? Quite a narrowing of the scope of influence even further for such a niche show buried on a network that airs original programming such as "Sharks in Venice!!!" Meaning, what is the audience for the insight? Point is, it's not as ambitious as you'd like to think. So, is it actually trying to make a difference or what? Or is it just making a comment, an astute, creative comment for which you assign much more meaning than could ever be attained?

Did you think the X-Files was anything more than "escapism"? What about Ronald D Moore's work on Trek? Sure, any good works of fiction always have something bubbling under the hood but it all comes down to storytelling, myth-building and if you don't see the subtext, it doesn't mean it's not there.

The "human condition" is much more than a news headline.
I would congratulate you on this post. Unfortunately it isn't nearly insightful enough into the deeper insights of the political persuation.

Therefore you shall be banned.
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melon was on Ellen?
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Will someone please tell me why melon was on Ellen? I hate not being in "the loop". And someone should probably warn him that Ellen might turn him gay.
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Will someone please tell me why melon was on Ellen? I hate not being in "the loop". And someone should probably warn him that Ellen might turn him gay.
Have you given any thought to shutting up?
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Have you given any thought to shutting up?
You know, I did once. But then I read a few of your posts and realized its my civic responsibility to raise the level of dialogue on this site. I'm a man of the people.
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You know, I did once. But then I read a few of your posts and realized its my civic responsibility to raise the level of dialogue on this site. I'm a man of the people.
But you're not literate.

Oh, and, I should mention that I thought the episode was great.
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