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Old 01-20-2011, 02:41 AM   #61
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Not even my love for Prince can convince me that Burton's original is good.


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Old 01-20-2011, 03:48 AM   #62
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Nolan's films are like one big dry vagina.
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:44 AM   #63
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I was a huge Batman fan since I was 5 (38 years ago) until Dark Knight. I collected comics, movies, toys, everything. But Dark Knight came out and ruined my taste for Batman for a while. Now, this latest mess with Batman in the comics has really turned me off; I hate that a person has to subscribe to multiple comic titles just to understand the basics of what's going on. I read the synopsis on Wikipedia, and I don't like the bizarre turns the Batman world has taken. I do enjoy the Batman fan fiction at Bat Tales (no, this isn't a shameless plug; it's not my site).

But looking back at the movies over the years, I see that while I enjoy elements of each, I really only like a few all the way through now:

1. Batman Begins
2. Batman (1966)
3. Batman Forever
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:58 AM   #64
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I know I come off as someone who hated The Dark Knight, but that's really not the case, I just have a strong love/nostalgia for the last round of Batman films, and a strong dislike for Christian Bale. Regardless, I did actually love The Dark Knight, it was just frustrating at the time to be (what felt like) the one person in a sea of people who thought the film was not "perfect".

I really don't see this new film doing well. Not financially, obviously it'll blow the fucking roof off, but I think this might finally be a misstep by Nolan. The casting of Hathaway, the using of Catwoman, the horrible title and the not so great ending of The Dark Knight, I just don't see how this can be good, but we'll see, I suppose. If nothing else, I'm very excited to see what Tom Hardy does.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:17 PM   #65
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I'll give Batman Forever credit in that it at least attempts to cover some interesting psychological issues that the Burton films mostly overlook (really everything to do with Bruce's relationship with Dr. Meridian). Aside from that, it's pure commercial trash and such a calculated, money-grubbing reaction to the "darkness" and overt sexuality of Returns. I'll even argue that Forever is even more sexualized than its predecessor and certainly more homo-erotic. Where in the design for Gotham City did they decide that naked Atlasses (sp?) should hold up every fucking building? My friend and I tried doing a Plinkett-esque takedown commentary of the film, then just got fucking bored to death.

Forever and Batman & Robin are cut from the exact same cloth both narratively and stylistically. The plots are EXACTLY the same, beat-for-beat, and both have the most absurd villain pairings (one "established" in the universe and one being introduced). Hell, I'd rather watch Robin for Schwarzenegger's gleefully retarded Mr. Freeze over Jim Carrey's hammy Joker riff. The fault of the Burton/Schumacher films (save for Returns) is that they always focused more on the villain's arc and very seldom found a way to tie it in with Batman; why should Batman be a side-character in his own film?

I'm not a huge fan of Nolan's more literal and grounded interpretation, but if that's what it takes for this character to be relevant to modern audiences, then that's great. I'll take the more fully realized universe of the Animated Series any day of the week.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:36 PM   #66
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I'll take the more fully realized universe of the Animated Series any day of the week.
Yeah, the animated series is more like the comics than any of the films, which is a very good thing.

Did you like The Brave And The Bold? I loved it, it reminded me of the 1960s TV show and the Silver Age of Batman.
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I prefer it to the comics, but that's just me.

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LeMac, I completely agree about Forever. It's horrific. Both Tommy Lee Jones and Carey try to act just like Nicholson. There's absolutely nothing I like about this film, and I'm the guy who frequently sports Val Kilmer pics as avatars.

I've never made it all the way through Batman & Robin. I've tried many times, can't do it.

I think Phantasm may be an age thing, because I've always thought it was pretty mediocre and no better than any of the other silly animated films DC pushes out every few years now, but I know there are tons of people a few years younger than me that absolutely love it. Maybe I should watch it again.
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I've been championing Elliot Goldenthal's Forever score for years... easily the best of the Batman films (I'm trying to remember the animated series' music, which I have a feeling is pretty great as well) and probably my favorite superhero score since the original Supes.
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I've been championing Elliot Goldenthal's Forever score for years... easily the best of the Batman films (I'm trying to remember the animated series' music, which I have a feeling is pretty great as well) and probably my favorite superhero score since the original Supes.
His main theme/opening credits are the best parts of the Schumacher films.

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I think Phantasm may be an age thing, because I've always thought it was pretty mediocre and no better than any of the other silly animated films DC pushes out every few years now, but I know there are tons of people a few years younger than me that absolutely love it. Maybe I should watch it again.
To me, there's no comparison between something like Mask of the Phantasm and Under the Red Hood in terms of the former's emotional complexity and narrative simplicity. It's a tight, rich 80 minute story on its most basic terms, where I find the DC stuff to be fairly basic translations/adaptations of singular comics that try very hard to be cool.
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To me, there's no comparison between something like Mask of the Phantasm and Under the Red Hood in terms of the former's emotional complexity and narrative simplicity. It's a tight, rich 80 minute story on its most basic terms, where I find the DC stuff to be fairly basic translations/adaptations of singular comics that try very hard to be cool.
I liked both movies. I liked Red Hood a bit better, though.
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What did you like most about Red Hood vs. Phantasm?
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What did you like most about Red Hood vs. Phantasm?
I really like the storyline, the emotion, and the art.
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Sorry...Anne Hathway isn't a good choice.
I just don't see it.

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Those people were idiots.

Anyone who watched more than a couple Heath Ledger performances would have realized he was capable of a very wide range of roles. The guy almost won a Best Actor award for Brokeback before The Dark Knight was even filmed, a perf that was itself quite different from what he had done before.
Oh, I agree, I just thought it was an interesting tidbit in the context of this discussion.

Some reactions from Ledger's casting:
"not sure how I feel about this"
"I just can't stand him"
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