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Old 04-28-2009, 07:38 AM   #361
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So, the only chance for any redemption for Tony is if he is doing all this to find out who the 12 green dots on the computer are, but methinks killing Larry et al would trump any good he might end up doing, so he must be bad.
Twas nice to see Jack bitch out Janice even if he thinks George Washington is still President.
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:10 AM   #362
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Yeah, I think we are past the point of no return for Tony.

I'm guessing that circle of 12, or whatever they are, will be exposed and taken down by the end of the season, but I'm thinking that perhaps Tony escapes, setting up next year.
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:10 AM   #363
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only thing I am confused about is what they really want to use the bio-weapon to achieve at this point? I mean...why is Tony involved...do we know that? still because of Michelle's death? or some other motivation? I am unsure
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:09 PM   #364
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They want the people to see the Government is weak and unable to protect them and then they want their firms (similar to Starkwood apparently) to step in and get Gov't contracts to provide defense, militia or whatever.

Tony is either in it for:
A. Revenge on the Government still
2. Money
Thirdly. To take down the 12 green dots
Quatorce. The redhead
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:05 PM   #365
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Thirdly. To take down the 12 green dots

I did entertain that premise,
like Jack he will break the law for a greater good

and collateral damage is a bitch

but, that doesn't quite work, too much to consider and evaluate, too much of a blurring of the lines.



on a simpler evaluation, I considered Tony to be a "for sure" bad guy in the first or second episode when he helped them complete the Airliner destruction.
Once that line had been crossed he was not redeemable.

If one accepts that blowing up innocent Americans in Airliners is justified for the greater good.
Then they will believe 911 was an American plot for the greater good of taking down the Taliban, Saddam Hussien and bringing Democracy to the Muslim world.
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:08 PM   #366
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I'm getting kinda tired of all these greater good bad guys. I want a plain old evil rotten bad guy now.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:05 AM   #367
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Interesting episode.
I do think that Chloe has said her final goodbye to Prescott and Morris. It made it look as if those two will not survive. Or maybe Chloe...

And I've seen some pretty bad comments about the president in this thread, but her daughter is even worse. Doing her job horribly is even too positive a description.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:27 AM   #368
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And I've seen some pretty bad comments about the president in this thread, but her daughter is even worse. Doing her job horribly is even too positive a description.
Yeah, aside from banging the reporter for Youtube prosperity, she doesn't do anything well.

Its a very preposterous scenario (shocking for this show I know) anyway, she goes from hating her mother to being White House Chief of Staff in a few hours. Ethan's resignation would never have been immediate, it would have waited till the next day at minimum during a crisis, and he certainly wouldn't be replaced by an inexperienced trollop, no matter what her relationship to the President is.
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shouldn't ethan have gotten his job back after they found out he was right about jack bauer anyway?

this was an amazing season up until the tony turning bad thing. now that i care that tony is bad, it's just that this new stuff isn't very interesting and doesn't make a lot of sense. i dont really care about this new evil gang and i dont really care if they are able to release the gas.

hopefully it will start to come together again next week, not much time left.
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i could still see Tony sacrificing himself to save Jack or Kim at the end of the season, serving as redemption to some people.
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Old 05-01-2009, 03:24 AM   #371
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shouldn't ethan have gotten his job back after they found out he was right about jack bauer anyway?
Yes, I think he should.
Then again, he resigned around 10 PM or so. He probably went home, got drunk and staggered to bed. So at 4 AM he'll probably be asleep. I would.
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I certainly hope Janeane Garofalo won't be back next season. Ugh.
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This season is quickly coming unraveled for me and I'm not sure what the writers can do to save it especially after I read this:

 
The only confirmed cast members so far to reprise their roles are Kiefer Sutherland, Cherry Jones, Mary Lynn Rajskub, Carlos Bernard, and Annie Wersching
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This season is quickly coming unraveled for me and I'm not sure what the writers can do to save it especially after I read this:

 
The only confirmed cast members so far to reprise their roles are Kiefer Sutherland, Cherry Jones, Mary Lynn Rajskub, Carlos Bernard, and Annie Wersching
This has been known for awhile, why does it bug you so much?

 
It can mean a lot of things: he somehow escapes, he's in jail and Jack finds out he may know something about the next plot, etc...
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This has been known for awhile, why does it bug you so much?

 
It can mean a lot of things: he somehow escapes, he's in jail and Jack finds out he may know something about the next plot, etc...
 
I wouldn't say that it bugs me so much, but i feel like this would've been fine if Tony hadn't turned out to be a super douche. How much more can that get out of him as a bad guy?
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